I'll take a shot in the dark and say Soap.Well, I can't say for sure that that's wrong as I don't know. But It is not the show I'm thinking of. This show was far more successful and longer running that 'Soap'
Cheers?Not Cheers....I'm wondering why you guessed those 2 shows as I can't think of any Gays from them. Do you know something I don't?
I did not know that Robert Reed was gay.WOW! Correct,,,it was Bewitched,,,,Paul Linde and Agnes Moorehead were the other 2.
One classic show I can think of is "Bewitched." Dick Sargent was gay in real life, which is a shame because Elizabeth Montgomery was such a beautiful actress. Sargent didn't know how lucky he was to be working with her.
I know this doesn't answer Boid's question, but I'd just thought I'd point out that piece of trivia since we're on the topic of gay casts.
Frasier.Not a "classic" sitcom
WOW! Correct,,,it was Bewitched,,,,Paul Linde and Agnes Moorehead were the other 2.
Yes, Reed was a flaming queer. Henderson talked a lot about it on the VH1 show about the Bradey Bunch.
There was talk that the kid that played Tabitha ended up a dyke, bringing the total to 4, and the English dude too. But after much research I can't validate that.
One classic show I can think of is "Bewitched." Dick Sargent was gay in real life, which is a shame because Elizabeth Montgomery was such a beautiful actress. Sargent didn't know how lucky he was to be working with her.
Fraiser
Not a "classic" sitcom
Erin Murphy is straight so I don't know where you are getting that from. Agnes Moorehead was not gay either; that was rumor and there is nothing to substantiate it. In fact, Ms. Moorehead was very religious if I remember right....the conservative Bible-banger type. I think I had read somewhere that she would read Bible stories to the kids on the set.
Correct on Ms. Moorehead.Ah ha! Good info. But it does confirm that Tabitha was a bull dyke. It don't matter how many times she played her.
Erin's fraternal twin sister Diane is gay, and very active in California and national politics, ref. gay rights. Erin and Diane shared the role of 'Tabitha' in the 3rd season, but at 2-years-old grew out of their physical similarities. Diane subbed for her sister a couple times due to illness, and was a frequent extra in scenes with children, but as of the 4th season Erin was the sole 'Tabitha.'
Erin Murphy is straight so I don't know where you are getting that from. Agnes Moorehead was not gay either; that was rumor and there is nothing to substantiate it. In fact, Ms. Moorehead was very religious if I remember right....the conservative Bible-banger type. I think I had read somewhere that she would read Bible stories to the kids on the set.
So X didn't know Paul Lynde was gay and Boid didn't know Jim (Jm) J Bullock was gay....are you guys blind? LOL Both Lynde and Bullock were/are so flaming they are prohibited from entering forests for fear of starting fires.
Hold the phone; I almost missed this. What does Elizabeth Montgomery's "beauty" (I agree btw, she was gorgeous) have to do with Dick Sargent being gay? Do you think Sargent should have been boning her on the set? Dick Sargent didn't "choose" to be gay, nobody does: just like you don't "choose" to be attracted to women (I assume). It's in the DNA and should not even matter as far as working on the set in a professional manner. Montgomery might have been gorgeous but I hardly think she was sitting there spread eagle on the set awaiting Dick Sargent to fuck her brains out.
What a horrible and ignorant thing to say.
Ah ha! Good info. But it does confirm that Tabitha was a bull dyke.
Errr Boid, you are going to get me in big trouble one day. >:(Me!!?? Raffy, this started out as an innocent thread about the little known twin of Sarah Conner. It has mutated to this level due to it's contributors, several of whom are sick fucks. (not excluding myself)
That's it; I've had enough.
To the surprise of absolutely no one I am banning you, Boid. You poke the sleeping tiger and sooner or later you're going to get bit.
this started out as an innocent thread about the little known twin of Sarah Conner.
You made it sound like Montgomery's beauty would be enough to turn a gay man straight or that Sargent somehow did something wrong by being gay. I'm not even gay and I found it offensive.
Out of curiosity, why did you have to add "as long as the men don't hit on me"? Do you think that all gay guys are sexual predators looking to bang any man they see? Do you have such a high opinion of your physical appearance that you feel gay guys will find you irresistable?I don't think he meant it that way. I kinda feel the same way. May be kinda homophobic, but it would be a little upsetting to be hit on by a man. I wouldn't hit him or anything, just would let him know i dont swing that way. It happen to me in college, and it wasn't a pleasant experience. I just think they should find out first if you like the same sex before they hit on you.
Should everybody have to announce their sexual preferences wherever they go?
Yeah it is kinda homophobic; after all if an unattractive woman hit on you would you feel the same way? It's not like you're going to go out for a round of gay bashing tonight or anything but it is a bit prejudiced.
Its an ideal world, no.
When its with an ugly woman, its still a woman. When its a guy its just makes you a million time more uncomfortable.
It seems like everything I'm saying is turning out offensive, so I'm going to bow out and not explain myself anymore. Nothing personal, but I think it's safer that I don't comment on the subject anymore. I hope you can understand.
Well I guess that makes us the crazy liberals of this thread, Doug.
One of us is crazy, and it's not you.
I must admit, the Catholic church is very prejudice against gays. If you even tell a priest that you’re gay, he’d want you to get help asap. They’re also against other stuff like using condoms, sex outside of marriage, and masturbation. They also believe that if you don’t confess your sins to a priest, you’ll go to hell. Sometimes I think they go a little too far sometimes. And because of that, my parents are totally against gay people since they’re very “religious.”
Actually, I'll share something else, my ex-girlfriend is bi-sexual. Before me, she was involved with another girl.
I must admit, the Catholic church is very prejudice against gays. If you even tell a priest that you’re gay, he’d want you to get help asap. They’re also against other stuff like using condoms, sex outside of marriage, and masturbation. They also believe that if you don’t confess your sins to a priest, you’ll go to hell. Sometimes I think they go a little too far sometimes. And because of that, my parents are totally against gay people since they’re very “religious.”
Wooo, hi five bro! [/raunchy frat boy]
Maybe he shouldn't have dumped her. Can you say threesome?? >:D >:D
Why would you think of such a thing? The thought never even entered my mind. :PWhat you never heard of guy+girl+girl?? What, that aint every guys fantasy? ;D :laugh: I think that was why seamus was hi-fiving metaldams?
What you never heard of guy+girl+girl?? What, that aint every guys fantasy? ;D :laugh: I think that was why seamus was hi-fiving Shemps#1?
1.) I think x was only kidding, hence the smiley.
Seamus, I'm an ex-Catholic myself, and I'm glad I wasn't an altar boy. One of the priests in my church growing up actually did molest children.
1.) I think x was only kidding, hence the smiley.
2.) I was the one being high fived.
Started off as a trivia question about Sitcoms and homosexuality, then the 'sitcoms' pat of the discussion was dropped, eventually, the Boid finally meeting his fate. I should not be surprised in the direction this thread went. No matter what forum, it always seems to happen whenever a sensitive topic is involved.
This is why I tend to avoid discussions like these. But I might as well offer my two cents. I am honestly indifferent about the whole issue. If you're gay, bi, straight, I have no problem. I will admit that I too would feel a little uncomfortable if someone of the same sex tried to hit on me, but I would be polite, and say "Sorry, I'm not interested." And if we share a few hobbies, I would ask if we could be friends.
Also, I think this is actually an interesting discussion, I have no problems with controversial topics when discussed intelligently.
I'm sorry to hear that.
This never happened at my church yet. But one thing does bother me though. My pastor (which is the priest in charge of a particular church) likes to wave at little kids while processing down the aisle at the beginning and at the end of the masses. It could be a harmless little wave, but the fact that he’s only acknowledging little kids as he processes does disturb me at times. Even if it means nothing, he should avoid doing that because of all the scandals going on. He could give the wrong impression.
Quad 4's beat me to the punch in regards to priests molesting children, damn it! :p
My parents were both raised Catholic but my late mother made it point to not indoctrinate us children and did not take us to church or force feed us faith. She let us decide on our own and the results were two atheists and a "spiritual but not religious". My mother also fell into the later category and my father is one of those "lapsed Catholics" that never goes to church unless his wife is helping out with bingo. I find the Catholic Church to be utterly vile, moreso than most Christian sects.
I hate to sound like a braggart or a shit or a pig but all I'll say is this: I SHOULD have been high-fived instead of Doug.
I knew it was a only a matter of time before Boid got himself banned. I have only come across a person so clueless on these boards once in all my years, and that other person has an archive board in honor of his idiocy on this very forum. I gave him more than enough chances, perhaps too many, but better to throw him out late than never.
I concur with the "controversial topics": I am very interested in public discourse, which is why I pressed X for clarification on his stance.
I'm also one of those spiritual but not religious Catholics. I think if they let the priest marry, loosened up on all that outrageous shit, they get alot more believers. But those money grubbers in the Vatican wouldn't like that. I believe in god, just not a big lover of organized religion.
all the noise in today's society
I've never heard pussy referred to like that before.
I've never heard pussy referred to like that before.
LOL! He was actually referring to all the material things in the world today, such as iphones, ipads, flat screen TVs, video games, fancy cars, etc.
I grew up a spiritual, but not religious Methodist. My parents sent me to Sunday School each week, but we hardly ever attended service. My family did not force us. I am now agnostic.
Pretty much. If the Vatican would ease up on their priests' marital and sexual restrictions, they might find more people that might be interested.
Not to mention weeding out a lot of the perverts who are currently priests.
I hate to sound like a braggart or a shit or a pig but all I'll say is this: I SHOULD have been high-fived instead of Doug.
It's interesting that while the Catholic church officially denounces all those "evils," most practicing Catholics I know tend to be more liberal when it comes to homosexuality, sex, contraception, etc.Seamus, I'm one of the "loose Catholics." I love God, I love going to church, I love Jesus, and I love my faith (sorry, Jim), but I have absolutely no problem with homosexuals. In fact (I believe I've mentioned this before in a different thread), I've often questioned why people don't fall in love with their same sex. That is not to say I'm questioning or bi or lesbian. In fact, I'm straight.
And also, Boid is gone. There is a God.
And also, Boid is gone. There is a God.
Seamus, I'm one of the "loose Catholics." I love God, I love going to church, I love Jesus, and I love my faith (sorry, Jim), but I have absolutely no problem with homosexuals.
I went to Catholic high school, and they absolutely teach evolution, so yes, it's true the Catholic church does not take a 100% literal interpretation of the Bible. From my experiences, it is the Evangelical religions who believe in Adam and Eve and view the Bible as 100% accurate history.
This guy also claimed that the stories of child molestation were wildly overblown by the media. I think the fact that someone on this very board knows one of the perpetrators is an indicator of how deep that problem runs.
I think they were made into perverts. Man is a sexual animal, and when you implement all the restraints that the catholic church does, your bound to create a pervert. I'm surprised the catholic church didn't make all priest become Unic's.
They can't take a 100% literal interpretation of the Bible because they changed it so they can make their crosses. The Bible also says nothing about all that saint nonsense either. They do get points for not ignoring the evidence for Evolution but the atrocities the RCC has committed cannot be ignored.
I was a total believer until I was 18. I took a religions of the world course and came to the realization that what most people believe is based on the culture they were brought up in more than any universial truth.
This is pretty close to my experience. When it hit me, around age 20, that people's belief systems have a lot more to do with the accident of their geography with than any serious contemplation on their part, it was my first big step away from Catholicism and toward the for-all-intents-and-purposes atheism I'm at today. If there is a higher deity (and that's a BIG "if" in my opinion), there's practically zero likelihood that he/she/it conforms to the one sold to us by any of the man-made religions, IMO.
Not intending to sound patronizing at all, but my hat's off to the believers in this thread who are willing to separate out the decent ideas their religion teaches them from the stupid, harmful, or bullshit rules they try to hold you to (e.g. the "loose Catholics" Liz mentioned). But I'd also respectfully argue that we don't need a religious underpinning for most if not all of the moral values people claim they get from religion.
For further reading I highly suggest "Atheism: The Case Against God" by George H. Smith.
I cannot prove with 100% certainty that there is no higher power whatsoever, just like I cannot disprove Santa Clause
With a title like that, you can see why Atheist get all that backlash. I know the atheist wouldn't like a title like "The Case Against those sole-less evil atheist". BTW i think ill pas on reading that. ::)
It's a "case" against God. You read the Atheist side of the argument and choose yourself whether to agree or disagree. Why's that offensive?
How did we go from talking about gays to god?? ???
It was my fault. I brought up the fact that the Catholic church was prejudice against gay people and then this happened.
I screwed up again. Sigh!
I have a question, "why is this topic even still open"? Hasn't it run its course?
I do want to say this about this subject. I love the old shows and I really don't want to know about the private lives of my favorite stars. While it's interesting, I'd rather judge them based on their acting skills with the characters we love. Really, we love the characters they portray and not, necessarily, the actual people. That's why they're actors. They're playing a part that is not their real personalities. It's not their real life. It's a show. I enjoy many different tv shows and movies that the actors, probably, engage in many, many things that I really don't want to know about. I just want to enjoy the shows at face value, without all the real life drama.
This is part of the reason that I don't go for reality television. I really don't want to know.
Some of my favorite movies (i.e. "Pee-wee's Big Adventure") can be ruined if you know what they did in real life. But the show has nothing to do with what Paul Reubens did in a movie theater.
Also, some of my favorite shows (i.e. "Bewitched") are totally ruined for me, because I can't discuss the show without someone saying "He's gay" or something to that effect. I'm usually taken aback with those kinds of statements, because it has no bearing on how well the episode is written, directed, or starred.
Anyway, that's my two cents. (Attn: Actors! Do what you do, but don't tell me about it. And keep up the great acting skills.)
I do want to say this about this subject. I love the old shows and I really don't want to know about the private lives of my favorite stars. While it's interesting, I'd rather judge them based on their acting skills with the characters we love. Really, we love the characters they portray and not, necessarily, the actual people.
So actors should just shut up because they are in the public spotlight? They are as free to voice their opinions and whatnot as you and I.
For me it's not about what makes me comfortable, it's about the truth. I am one of the few rare atheists in this country that was never religious so I had no defining moment where I "realized" atheism was the likely answer.
Everyone is agnostic in a sense, even you and I because we can never prove there a god(s) or that they do not exist just like we can't prove there is no Easter Bunny
Well being raised religious as a kid, my defining moment came early when i realized 99.99% god was the answer.
See now i know your trying to stir up shit. You were sounding intelligent up to this point. Why be that way?? I dont go about putting you down for your beliefs. First it was Santa now its the Easter bunny.
I guess I lean toward theist. But I'm still an agnostic theist. I like to think that there may be an afterlife and at least one 'higher power.' But I do not believe that one religion or faith is any more accurate than another. If there is is an afterlife and/or higher powers, they could take any form. How are we to know whether or not 'God' takes the form of a male, female, white, black, asian, etc., or a giant spaghetti monster? There could be a multitude of gods and goddesses, there could also be a group of demi-gods.
I can't prove that any of that exists, but It's a more comforting thought than the more logical, "When you die, that's it. No reincarnation, no 'heaven' or 'hell', your spirit or soul will not roam the earth because it poof'd away the second you died." That's no fun.
I want to think that as long as you were a good person in life, you will be rewarded your own perception of 'heaven'
I'm not putting down your beliefs at all: you are being hyper sensitive.
It's not a sniping contest Quad 4's. I should be allowed to posit my point of view, should I not? I am in no way putting down your beliefs but stating mine (or lack thereof). To me, the Yahweh concept, or any other God concept, has as much merit as Santa or the Easter Bunny due to the lack of tangible, empirical evidence for either.
Why then the second comparison of god to a silly children's myth? I wouldn't make comparison of Atheist to something of a similar nature. I would want to diss your beliefs.
They aren't beliefs: when I say "I am an atheist" the only thing I am saying is "I don't believe X" not "I believe Y".Isn't not believing in god a belief to you? I always thought of it that way.
ROFL You have redeemed yourself in 6 words (as if you needed redeeming). That was an awesome Cubs burn. :P
The cubs will win the world series before there is proven to be a god.
Isn't not believing in god a belief to you? I always thought of it that way.
The reason why I recommended the book in the first place is because Doug and Seamus were calling themselves "agnostic" but like most people who call themselves "agnostic" they sounded like they were actually atheists and the book delves deeply into this kind of "agnosticism" in the early chapters. I liken "atheism" to the Scarlett Letter and "agnosticism" to people trying to avoid being tagged with that letter. Everyone is agnostic in a sense, even you and I because we can never prove there a god(s) or that they do not exist just like we can't prove there is no Easter Bunny even though I'm sure we both would agree that there isn't one.
I guess I lean toward theist. But I'm still an agnostic theist. I like to think that there may be an afterlife and at least one 'higher power.' But I do not believe that one religion or faith is any more accurate than another. If there is is an afterlife and/or higher powers, they could take any form. How are we to know whether or not 'God' takes the form of a male, female, white, black, asian, etc., or a giant spaghetti monster? There could be a multitude of gods and goddesses, there could also be a group of demi-gods.
I can't prove that any of that exists, but It's a more comforting thought than the more logical, "When you die, that's it. No reincarnation, no 'heaven' or 'hell', your spirit or soul will not roam the earth because it poof'd away the second you died." That's no fun.
I want to think that as long as you were a good person in life, you will be rewarded your own perception of 'heaven'
Now I should be high fiving you! I couldn't agree with you more. In fact there are ongoing scientific studies about "moral values" and how they are key to the survival of the species. You see it in animals as well as humans (which of course blows a big hole in the "only from religion do we get moral values" idea).
Well being raised religious as a kid, my defining moment came early when i realized 99.99% god was the answer.
god? or God?
See now i know your trying to stir up shit. You were sounding intelligent up to this point. Why be that way?? I dont go about putting you down for your beliefs. First it was Santa now its the Easter bunny.
you are = you're
I'm going to have to take the road Jim took when dealing with actors and their religious beliefs, etc. Just like Jim looked at Curt Schilling, I'm going to look at my favorite actor, Dwight Frye. When he wasn't playing lunatics and absolute schizos on-screen, he was a devout Christian Scientist, family man, and all-around good guy. I like to say he was the typical All-American boy before the Beach Boys showed up. While his private life just increases the merit for judging him for some people (myself included a little bit), I judge actors mainly by what I see on-screen, and Dwight was terrific on-screen, as many of you know.
I gotta say Liz, Dwight Frye is the oddest crush a young lady in 2011 can have. Also I should say that there are even limits to the whole "private life doesn't matter" thing. I'll use Doug as an example: he was a fan of Chris Benoit but once he murdered with wife and son Doug stopped being a fan. If Schilling were to do something so heinous I would not be a fan of his anymore (although I highly doubt Curt could ever be capable of such a thing).
I gotta say Liz, Dwight Frye is the oddest crush a young lady in 2011 can have.
I gotta say Liz, Dwight Frye is the oddest crush a young lady in 2011 can have. Also I should say that there are even limits to the whole "private life doesn't matter" thing. I'll use Doug as an example: he was a fan of Chris Benoit but once he murdered with wife and son Doug stopped being a fan. If Schilling were to do something so heinous I would not be a fan of his anymore (although I highly doubt Curt could ever be capable of such a thing).Oh, trust me, there are others like me out there. ;)
Or a young lady in 1931 for that matter.
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