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Title: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Boid Brain on March 26, 2011, 07:57:28 AM
In a previous thread I claimed that MJ was overrated. My years of watching Bulls b-ball, and the fact that I read "The Jordan rules" and one of Phil Jackson's books had me thinking I was an authority. While it is true that he was an asshole, and was hated by his own teamates, that should have had no bearing on his on court skills.

Since that last post I have read several more books on the subject, and have been forced to listen to the opinions of NBA coach's and players.

I could go on about all the factors that entered into my change of heart, but I won't. I will relate one little story: At draft time the Supersonics coach calls Bobby Knight to get his opinion....Take Jordan, or Bowie? He already had Drexler, and he badly needed a center. Knight said to take Jordan. "But I need a center!" Knight answered: "Draft Jordan and play him at center".

Any interest in rehashing this subject, Liz and Shemps#1?
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Dog Hambone on March 26, 2011, 06:00:13 PM
MJ's on-court skills may have been one thing, but I've watched an interview with him on teevee & he comes across as an inarticulate dullard nearly devoid of personality. His Hanes commercials kind of confirm this - he speaks very little, & his "acting" consists of rolling his eyes (or something similar) at the loud-mouthed dumb white guy.

In other words, he may be an asshole, but I tend to think it's more of his lack of a discernable off-court personality.   
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Curly4444 on March 26, 2011, 07:46:58 PM
He couldn't have been as big of an asshole as that Dennis Rodman? In the public eye he seemed to be a nice guy, i guess on the field and in real life he was a jerk.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Boid Brain on March 27, 2011, 05:05:41 AM
He couldn't have been as big of an asshole as that Dennis Rodman? In the public eye he seemed to be a nice guy, i guess on the field and in real life he was a jerk.
Actually, Rodman was allways a deathly shy guy. A kind soul. He was later corrupted by the Detroit's "bad boys". He was further corrupted by Madonna, who taught him how to reinvent himself.

He went to San Antonio with his 2 rings and started his act. Jordan is not an idiot like Dennis. He is a southern man that tries to speak "white"', like many black sports stars he can't quite pull it off. His basketball I.Q. is quite another thing.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: shemps#1 on March 27, 2011, 09:07:56 AM
How does one speak "white"? Do you mean speaking like someone who paid attention during high school English class? If so then I know plenty of Caucasians who do not speak "white".
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Lefty on March 27, 2011, 10:34:49 AM
How does one speak "white"? Do you mean speaking like someone who paid attention during high school English class? If so then I know plenty of Caucasians who do not speak "white".

I did not have a chance to pay attention in 12th grade English class, as there were 11 weeks' worth of teacher strikes that year.  But I musta learnt goodly.

Ah de-clay-er, sho' nuff, when Ah was day-oun in South Yah-meth, Ah had chee-uh-kun tan-durz, Fray-unch Frahz, ay-und gahlic bread with a glass of wah-tuh at the Olive Gahden, and they did not knooohhh I was from Flin Flon Manitoooohhhhhba, eh?  Now if you don't gimme fawty dollahs, I'm gone down to Toidy-toid and Toid Avenyuh, "and we won't say a word about it."
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Boid Brain on March 27, 2011, 11:54:59 AM
How does one speak "white"? Do you mean speaking like someone who paid attention during high school English class? If so then I know plenty of Caucasians who do not speak "white".
Example: Players that spoke "White" well: Reggie Miller, David Robinson and Clyde Drexler. All 3 raised in intergrated schools and went to college not only for the basketball.

One of the few players that would step up to a mic and not try to whiten his speech was Barkley. More black athletes should just be natural like Charles. He knows that in spite of his Malaprop's everybody still understands him.

But back to topic: Without Dr. J and the ABA Jordan could not have rose to the level he did. Why? Because Mike, like Dr. J.  was allowed by the refs to "Palm", or turn over the ball on the dribble w/o a whistle. That fast change of direction gave him the big 1st step on his drives to get to the basket and finish as only he could. Without that 1st step the lanes would have closed on him much quicker.

Of course every other player could have done that too...IF they had his great big hands and quickness.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: shemps#1 on March 27, 2011, 09:02:37 PM
Example: Players that spoke "White" well: Reggie Miller, David Robinson and Clyde Drexler. All 3 raised in intergrated schools and went to college not only for the basketball.

One of the few players that would step up to a mic and not try to whiten his speech was Barkley. More black athletes should just be natural like Charles. He knows that in spite of his Malaprop's everybody still understands him.

Wow, that is some of the repugnant bullshit I have ever read on these forums.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Boid Brain on March 27, 2011, 09:53:24 PM
Wow, that is some of the repugnant bullshit I have ever read on these forums.
I don't get you man....wtf is your problem? I give a reasonable answer and you go off. Repugnant bullshit? Why so abrasive Shemps? Never mind...just forget about it!
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: shemps#1 on March 27, 2011, 10:17:48 PM
That "reasonable answer" is probably from someone who is rarely around black people. Not every black person speaks like a cast member from Boyz In The Hood, and I find the idea that speaking eloquently is somehow reserved for white people fucking repugnant. I happen to know plenty of black people who do not speak that way.

Speaking like an illiterate moron does not know skin pigmentation.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Dog Hambone on March 28, 2011, 09:55:03 AM
Boid Brain, you're doing it again. Your mouth is racing down the highway, but you haven't bothered to shift your brain out of neutral yet.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Boid Brain on March 28, 2011, 10:10:33 AM
since this is a dead thread I'm going to use it to try to post a you tube video. I read the instructions, I think I got it.
&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh+div-1r-1-HM

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="
" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
(https://threestooges.net/forums/Themes/default/images/warnwarn.gif) General douche-baggery - S#1
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: shemps#1 on March 28, 2011, 10:27:22 AM
Since you're acting like a douche I'm going to give you a warning.

By the way, all you need to do to embed a youtube video is to hit the youtube button then type the video ID inbetween the bracketed items.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: shemps#1 on March 28, 2011, 10:29:08 AM
Here's your video, Socrates:

[youtube=425,350]lm6kZmBeHBk[/youtube]
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Dunrobin on March 28, 2011, 10:33:04 AM
since this is a dead thread I'm going to use it to try to post a you tube video. I read the instructions, I think I got it.

(1) This is not a dead thread, although your asinine (and rather racist) remarks certainly took it off topic.
(2) Videos generally belong on the Youtube and Google Videos board (http://threestooges.net/forums/index.php/board,26.0.html) (although I'll grant you that I've not made that a strict rule.)
(3) You apparently didn't understand the instructions on how to post a video (http://threestooges.net/forums/index.php/topic,3873.0.html), because you're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Boid Brain on March 28, 2011, 01:19:11 PM
You are correct that I don't understand how to do it. It took a freind to teach me how to do photo's the other day. I'm gonna impose on her again for the vids. Sorry about practicing on the thread.

I reread my comments, surprized that they came off as racist. Not meant to be. I think it best to stay away from contraversional stuff from now on. I prefer the movie and TV stuff anyway.

BTW, I'm Mulatto

Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Curly4444 on March 28, 2011, 01:24:34 PM
Hey you kinda look like your avatar.  ;D
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Dog Hambone on March 28, 2011, 05:00:24 PM
BTW, I'm Mulatto

Geez, I haven't heard that term in years. I assumed it had fallen into disuse as a colloquialism.

Here's a quote from Wikipedia:
"Although still in use, in the last half century the term mulatto has fallen out of favor among some people and may be considered offensive by some in the United States. Today the preferred terms are generally biracial, multiracial, mixed-race, and multiethnic."

And the entire article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulatto
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: shemps#1 on March 28, 2011, 07:05:37 PM
You are correct that I don't understand how to do it. It took a freind to teach me how to do photo's the other day. I'm gonna impose on her again for the vids. Sorry about practicing on the thread.

I reread my comments, surprized that they came off as racist. Not meant to be. I think it best to stay away from contraversional stuff from now on. I prefer the movie and TV stuff anyway.

BTW, I'm Mulatto



Being mulatto doesn't excuse you from being called out when making idiotic comments.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Final Shemp on March 28, 2011, 11:05:16 PM
How does one speak "white"? 

I can speak white!  "Check this out!"
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Dog Hambone on March 29, 2011, 10:33:43 AM
General douche-baggery - S#1

By the way, my compliments on your new addition to the English language. I laughed out loud when I first saw it, & I'm still chuckling about it now.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Dunrobin on March 29, 2011, 10:59:36 AM
According to the Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/), it should be all one word (no hyphen): douchebaggery (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=douchebaggery).

Quote from: The Urban Dictionary
The greatest word of all time, simple yet pleasing in its onomatopoeic beauty. For one to commit douchebaggery, he/she is not limited to but may include some or perhaps all of the following behaviors:

- the wearing of flat-billed baseball caps backwards
- using an enormous amount of gel to spike the hair porcupine style
- wearing polo shirts or any other type of shirt with the collar popped, a disgusting gesture that should've died in the 1980s with parachute pants
- the sideways peace sign gesture
- overdone pursing of the lips
- too many visits to the tanning salon
- pointing at oneself, holding up beer cans, or making other obscenely immature gestures in solo or group photos
- following trends for the sake of fitting in (see "goatee (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=goatee)")
- adding "The" or the suffix "-ster" to one's name, as in "The Rickster"

See Guido (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Guido) or perhaps frat boy (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=frat%20boy) for more. Essentially, "douchebaggery" is one of those things as easily understood by definition as it is by one's demonstrations of it.
At least guys with mullets can cut their hair, but there seems to be no cure for the douchebaggery exhibited by frat boys overcompensating for their small members.

Learn something new every day.   ;D
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Boid Brain on March 31, 2011, 12:44:52 AM
Geez, I haven't heard that term in years. I assumed it had fallen into disuse as a colloquialism.

Here's a quote from Wikipedia:
"Although still in use, in the last half century the term mulatto has fallen out of favor among some people and may be considered offensive by some in the United States. Today the preferred terms are generally biracial, multiracial, mixed-race, and multiethnic."

And the entire article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulatto
You are correct....nobody uses that word any more. Or Mestizo, or Yaqui....I told a woman recently that she was one beautiful colored woman and she went off on me. "Colored" is apparently a no-no also.

It's getting to the point that I'm afraid to open my mouth on anything even remotely racial.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Dog Hambone on March 31, 2011, 08:41:26 AM
It's getting to the point that I'm afraid to open my mouth on anything even remotely racial.

If you do, someone will notify the political correctness police!

Skin color is meaningless anyway; it's the person inside that counts.

Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: xraffle on March 31, 2011, 10:13:42 AM
You are correct....nobody uses that word any more. Or Mestizo, or Yaqui....I told a woman recently that she was one beautiful colored woman and she went off on me. "Colored" is apparently a no-no also.

It's getting to the point that I'm afraid to open my mouth on anything even remotely racial.

Try using "African-American." If that's racists, then I don't know what isn't.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Curly4444 on March 31, 2011, 10:48:48 AM
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Try using "African-American." If that's racists, then I don't know what isn't.

That too isn't that PC Anymore.  ::) Now its people of color.  ::) So technically i must be a people of color also. I'm white, but hey that's a color
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: shemps#1 on March 31, 2011, 01:27:50 PM
My curiosity compels me to ask: why was she a "beautiful colored woman" instead of a "beautiful woman"? Had she been white would you have called her a "hot honkey"?

Of course I jest because there is a major difference between "honkey" and "colored". My original question is legit though.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Boid Brain on March 31, 2011, 01:53:00 PM
My curiosity compels me to ask: why was she a "beautiful colored woman" instead of a "beautiful woman"? Had she been white would you have called her a "hot honkey"?

Of course I jest because there is a major difference between "honkey" and "colored". My original question is legit though.
It certainly wasn't necessary to add that word. But still, it was meant as a complement.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: metaldams on March 31, 2011, 02:06:39 PM
My curiosity compels me to ask: why was she a "beautiful colored woman" instead of a "beautiful woman"? Had she been white would you have called her a "hot honkey"?


Jim, I gotta stick up for Boid on this one.  I use "pretty black girl" or "pretty Asian girl," or "pretty insert other race here" all the time myself, as do my brother and the other guys I hang with.  I use these terms in the same manner I use "pretty blonde" or "pretty brunette" or "hot redhead" (my favorites), or "pretty tall girl," or what have you.  It's just simply a way of recognizing that there are all kinds of beautiful women on this planet, and they come in all varieties.  Nothing wrong in pointing out what variety she is.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: shemps#1 on March 31, 2011, 03:47:49 PM
I wasn't being combative, it was just a question. Perhaps I'm weird in that I don't use those descriptors unless providing further information. For instance, "beautiful colored woman" isn't the first thing out of my mouth when describing someone. Also, I can kind of see where someone can get offended there: the vast majority of people don't use those descriptors when talking about someone of their own race. Thirdly, verbiage like that may be all well and fine amongst your friends but would go up to the "pretty Asian girl" and say "hey, you're one hot Asian"?

As for the term "colored" itself, it has been antiquated for quite some time now. It really depends on the person you use it with and whether or not they'll get offended. For instance, an older black person might not blink when the word is used but one younger than 50 might not only take offense but also consider you to be an old fart.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: metaldams on March 31, 2011, 04:45:44 PM
I wasn't being combative, it was just a question. Perhaps I'm weird in that I don't use those descriptors unless providing further information. For instance, "beautiful colored woman" isn't the first thing out of my mouth when describing someone. Also, I can kind of see where someone can get offended there: the vast majority of people don't use those descriptors when talking about someone of their own race. Thirdly, verbiage like that may be all well and fine amongst your friends but would go up to the "pretty Asian girl" and say "hey, you're one hot Asian"?

As for the term "colored" itself, it has been antiquated for quite some time now. It really depends on the person you use it with and whether or not they'll get offended. For instance, an older black person might not blink when the word is used but one younger than 50 might not only take offense but also consider you to be an old fart.

Well, I guess I would never walk up to a pretty black woman and say she is a pretty "black" woman, just that she's pretty.  I can see where you're coming from in that sense.  But then again, I know a guy who's almost exclusively into black woman, so should it be offensive if he mentions that's a turn on?  I don't know man, these things confuse me.  I'm white, I have no issues being called white, and perhaps I just expect the same of others.  If a black woman went up to me and said I'm a good looking white guy, I'd just chuckle and say thanks.  Wouldn't think twice about it.  Then again, I can only think from the point of view of a white, heterosexual, male, so I'm limited.


My grandmother always used the term "colored."  She died a few years ago, but she would very loudly speak of "the nice colored lady" who came to speak to her the other day, when a black nurse was in earshot.  Of course, me, my brother and my parents would mouth that we're sorry to this lady, and she'd just chuckle.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: xraffle on March 31, 2011, 06:08:50 PM
I'm white, I have no issues being called white, and perhaps I just expect the same of others.  If a black woman went up to me and said I'm a good looking white guy, I'd just chuckle and say thanks.  Wouldn't think twice about it.  Then again, I can only think from the point of view of a white, heterosexual, male, so I'm limited.

It's because long ago, there were laws that discriminated "colored" people. For example, they had separate bathrooms, drinking fountains, sections in restaurants, etc.... Not to mention slavery, which many of us learned in history class. Due to all of this stuff that happened throughout history, some "colored" people can very sensitive when you show the slightest bit of racism towards them.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Boid Brain on March 31, 2011, 08:04:38 PM
Man O man. Talk about a thread veering off topic. (Jordan's skill as a player) 3 pages and not one basketball related reply.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: metaldams on March 31, 2011, 08:28:53 PM
It's because long ago, there were laws that discriminated "colored" people. For example, they had separate bathrooms, drinking fountains, sections in restaurants, etc.... Not to mention slavery, which many of us learned in history class. Due to all of this stuff that happened throughout history, some "colored" people can very sensitive when you show the slightest bit of racism towards them.

Yes, I know my U.S. history, and everybody should be sensitive towards racism. 
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: xraffle on March 31, 2011, 09:46:33 PM
The thing is, words like "black" or "colored" can be offensive to them since many people have used those words back in the days when people discriminated them. Pretty blonde and pretty brunette are not exactly considered offensive. Pretty colored chick, on the other hand, can come off as offensive and racist. And you don't need to be racist to come off as offensive. For example, you're not going to walk up to some fat lady outside and say, "Hey, you're a cute fat chick!" The reason is, people use "fat" as a way of insulting others sometimes. So, same with "black" or "colored." Those words are considered to be racist and offensive words, so even if one does use it to compliment, they can take it the wrong way.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Liz on March 31, 2011, 09:50:07 PM
Yes, I know my U.S. history, and everybody should be sensitive towards racism. 
History was my favorite subject before English, so of course I know my US History, and I agree.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Curly4444 on March 31, 2011, 10:14:01 PM
The thing is, words like "black" or "colored" can be offensive to them since many people have used those words back in the days when people discriminated them. Pretty blonde and pretty brunette are not exactly considered offensive. Pretty colored chick, on the other hand, can come off as offensive and racist. And you don't need to be racist to come off as offensive. For example, you're not going to walk up to some fat lady outside and say, "Hey, you're a cute fat chick!" The reason is, people use "fat" as a way of insulting others sometimes. So, same with "black" or "colored." Those words are considered to be racist and offensive words, so even if one does use it to compliment, they can take it the wrong way.

I know a few black people and they have no problem with using the word black people. Colored, the N-Word, or negro i can see, but black. They have to be over sensitive or just dont like white people to be offended.  I just dont think the word black has the bad stigma attached to it as it use to. My best friend who is black, considers himself a black man(Not African American, Colored or negro), and has no problem with me using it. Ive even seen it used on occasion on my local news.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: xraffle on March 31, 2011, 10:42:31 PM
Yes, of course. I know some "black" people as well that don't mind being called that. But some are very sensitive and don't like it. Heck, I even know some fat people that don't mind being called fat. It depends on the individual and how sensitive they are.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Curly4444 on March 31, 2011, 10:56:11 PM
African American just don't sound right to me. I mean if your Irish or Italian, you consider yourself to be Irish or Italian, not Irish American/Italian American. My friend once told me im black, not African American. I'm not from Africa, i was born here, i'm just an American. If someone just immigrated from say Nigeria, that would be an African American.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: metaldams on March 31, 2011, 11:14:59 PM
It depends on the individual and how sensitive they are.

That's pretty much what it boils down to.

I'll share a story that's legendary in my family 25 years after the fact.  When I grew up, there was this nice elderly black couple who lived across the street from me, and occasionally their grandson from Ohio, who is my age, would visit and I would play with him.  I was about 5 or so, and my entire family, meaning grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. were over when this kid was visiting one day.  We were all having cake and we gave him a piece.  He takes a bite and goes, "Man, you sure make good cake for a bunch of honkies."  The reaction from my family?  Uncontrollable laughter, and we still joke about it today.  I'm laughing as I'm typing this.  But not everybody else would react the same.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Curly4444 on March 31, 2011, 11:42:28 PM
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He takes a bite and goes, "Man, you sure make good cake for a bunch of honkies."  The reaction from my family?  Uncontrollable laughter, and we still joke about it today.  I'm laughing as I'm typing this.  But not everybody else would react the same.

I'm surprised they weren't a little mad. Cause honkie is the while equivalent of the N-Word. I mean if the situation was reversed there would be yelling and a bunch of angry people knocking on the kids parents door. So why is it when a white person gets a racial slur thrown at them its ok/funny, but when its done to a black person its wrong. Shouldn't it be equally wrong in both situation?
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: metaldams on April 01, 2011, 12:44:47 AM
I'm surprised they weren't a little mad. Cause honkie is the while equivalent of the N-Word. I mean if the situation was reversed there would be yelling and a bunch of angry people knocking on the kids parents door. So why is it when a white person gets a racial slur thrown at them its ok/funny, but when its done to a black person its wrong. Shouldn't it be equally wrong in both situation?

1. The kid was 5 years old
2. Really not worth starting a feud with neighbors we got along with
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: shemps#1 on April 01, 2011, 03:28:40 AM
I would say that "cracker" is the equivalent of "nigger" as for as the "Uncle Charlies" go and not "honkey". As you can see I deplore political correctness, especially when discussing these terms in a serious/philosophical manner and will not use the term "N-word" because I find it to be retarded to do so. After all, we're all adults here and "N-word" sounds so preschool.

If I am using a racial descriptor for someone of African descent I will use the term "black". The term "African-American" really doesn't make any sense. After all I have been in big cities most of my life where there are plenty of tourists and immigrants and not every black person I have met is an American. So do I change it to "African-Jamaican", "African-Canadian", "African-Frenchmen" etc.? That's just fuckin' silly. When describing someone's appearance it's best to use descriptors for how they look because you really don't know what country they are from just by looking at them.

I've never really come across a person who has offended by the use of the term "black". Like I said I can see it being offensive when used as "beautiful black woman" because it can be seen as something lesser (like "beautiful FOR A black woman" or basically judging them to be less beautiful than your average beautiful white woman). Then again I am a guy who still uses the term "retarded" as a descriptor of someone who is "mentally challenged" because I find the word to be perfectly fine so what do I know?

As for your friend Doug, I would say it does not make him a racist to say he prefers black women because he is just stating a sexual preference, which almost everyone has (almost everyone having sexual preferences in general, not one for black women in particular). Personally I prefer women with lighter or more pale skin (a hot ginger gets my blood boiling too) so does that make me a racist? No, it just states what a find to be a turn-on purely based on aesthetics. It's not a fetish or anything because I have and still would date/sleep with women with darker pigmentations.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: hiramhorwitz on April 01, 2011, 05:00:36 AM
I'll share a story that's legendary in my family 25 years after the fact.  When I grew up, there was this nice elderly black couple who lived across the street from me, and occasionally their grandson from Ohio, who is my age, would visit and I would play with him.  I was about 5 or so, and my entire family, meaning grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. were over when this kid was visiting one day.  We were all having cake and we gave him a piece.  He takes a bite and goes, "Man, you sure make good cake for a bunch of honkies."  The reaction from my family?  Uncontrollable laughter, and we still joke about it today.  I'm laughing as I'm typing this.  But not everybody else would react the same.

I don't mind being called a honky.  But to be told I make good cake -- now that steams me.  Especially coming from a 5 year old.
Title: Re: Maybe Jordan was no myth after all (warning: basketball content)
Post by: Curly4444 on April 01, 2011, 09:21:56 AM
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If I am using a racial descriptor for someone of African descent I will use the term "black". The term "African-American" really doesn't make any sense. After all I have been in big cities most of my life where there are plenty of tourists and immigrants and not every black person I have met is an American. So do I change it to "African-Jamaican", "African-Canadian", "African-Frenchmen" etc.? That's just fuckin' silly. When describing someone's appearance it's best to use descriptors for how they look because you really don't know what country they are from just by looking at them.

Wow, you agree with me on something. Must be my lucky day.  :D I doubt blacks came up with the term African-American, was probably invented by the white man. Hmmm, they dont like to be called Nigger, Negro, Colored, spook, and some even black. So how do we refer to them? Well they were originally from Africa and seem to love it. They live here now, so lets call them African-American.
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Post by: shemps#1 on April 01, 2011, 10:07:29 AM
I always wondered why "spook" was racist black term. After all, ghosts are portrayed as white.
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Post by: Liz on April 01, 2011, 10:09:06 AM
Then again I am a guy who still uses the term "retarded" as a descriptor of someone who is "mentally challenged" because I find the word to be perfectly fine so what do I know?
I take offense to that in the utmost form, because I am a person with autism (Asperger's syndrome to be more specific).  What most people who use the r-word don't realize is that a lot of people who "fall under that category" are very smart people.  Some are even savants.  So, to call a person with mental disabilities the r-word is rude and ignorant.  I don't even say it to "normal" people that I think deserve it.  So no, the word is not "perfectly fine" in my book.
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Post by: Liz on April 01, 2011, 10:10:01 AM
I always wondered why "spook" was racist black term. After all, ghosts are portrayed as white.
Evil spirits were black, perhaps? :D
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Post by: shemps#1 on April 01, 2011, 10:24:11 AM
I take offense to that in the utmost form, because I am a person with autism (Asperger's syndrome to be more specific).  What most people who use the r-word don't realize is that a lot of people who "fall under that category" are very smart people.  Some are even savants.  So, to call a person with mental disabilities the r-word is rude and ignorant.  I don't even say it to "normal" people that I think deserve it.  So no, the word is not "perfectly fine" in my book.

People who are by definition smart cannot be retarded. Also, I don't consider people with Asperger's to be retarded: only an ignorant person would think so. The direct definition of "mentally retarded" is someone with an IQ under 70. It is a perfectly acceptable term and I'm not going to say something like "intellectually disabled" because a few people (who are generally not retarded) don't like it.
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Post by: Curly4444 on April 01, 2011, 10:38:03 AM
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I always wondered why "spook" was racist black term. After all, ghosts are portrayed as white.





http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=95;t=000880

Kinda funny but racist explanation.

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This is an old slang term. It originated from the fact that since a black person is dark color; they are hard to see at night and some people have been spooked (scared) by them since they could barely see them at night.

In other word sometimes people (whites) would be out at night and couldn't see the "black person until the last second and got scared or spooked.

What i want to know is why there were called coons?

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People who are by definition smart cannot be retarded. Also, I don't consider people with Asperger's to be retarded: only an ignorant person would think so. The direct definition of "mentally retarded" is someone with an IQ under 70. It is a perfectly acceptable term and I'm not going to say something like "intellectually disabled" because a few people (who are generally not retarded) don't like it.

I was going to say that.
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Post by: metaldams on April 01, 2011, 10:38:43 AM
I always wondered why "spook" was racist black term. After all, ghosts are portrayed as white.

As somebody who has seen way too mant silent comedies, I also have seen the stereotypes of the day.  If you see a black character in a silent comedy, chances are you'll see a ghost appear and you'll see the black character go all Dudley Dickerson on us, wide-eyed and scared, and then run away.  Hence, they are "spooked."

The whole idea of the white outfits and hoods from the KKK is based on this same premise.
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Post by: Boid Brain on April 01, 2011, 02:33:36 PM
The stupidest PI term is "midget". You can't call a midget a midget any more!
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Post by: Curly4444 on April 01, 2011, 03:09:28 PM
The stupidest PI term is "midget". You can't call a midget a midget any more!
Hey, Its little People man.


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Post by: ILMM on April 01, 2011, 04:41:24 PM
I've read that the only white equivalent to the "N-word" is to be called Racist, and I agree.
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Post by: Curly4444 on April 01, 2011, 06:08:41 PM
I've read that the only white equivalent to the "N-word" is to be called Racist, and I agree.

Bull-crap. Since were white, all racial slurs yelled at us are not racist, and don't compare to the "N-word"? You call me cracker, white trailer trash, redneck, or honkie to my face, ill get just as pissed as if i were black and nigger was yelled at me.
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Post by: ILMM on April 02, 2011, 12:29:09 AM
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Bull-crap. Since were white, all racial slurs yelled at us are not racist, and don't compare to the "N-word"? You call me cracker, white trailer trash, redneck, or honkie to my face, ill get just as pissed as if i were black and nigger was yelled at me.

Just my personal opinion, I've never been offended by the word "cracker", white trailer trash and redneck are more regional
and social insults, and before this thread I don't think I would have known what the word "honkie" would have ment[SP?].
But then, nobody has ever tried to insult me by calling me any thing like that.
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Post by: shemps#1 on April 02, 2011, 02:44:39 AM
"Honkey" is spelled with an E-Y at the end, and "meant" is spelled with an A in the middle.

Life is too short to get offended by a certain word, in my opinion. I've got better things to worry about than whether somebody calls me a cracker or not.

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Post by: ILMM on April 02, 2011, 12:43:09 PM
Sorry about my spelling, It was late at night and I was in a hurry.
I think I messed up my quote too, It didn't show up in a box.
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Post by: JazzBill on April 02, 2011, 04:51:32 PM
I know I posted this a long time ago, but there are a lot of new faces since then. Chappelle had a great show.

[youtube=425,350]PtqqMchhUkw[/youtube]
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Post by: shemps#1 on April 03, 2011, 12:27:33 AM
Sorry about my spelling, It was late at night and I was in a hurry.
I think I messed up my quote too, It didn't show up in a box.

Don't worry about it, you asked for proper spelling but I wasn't sure which one you wanted it for, lol.

I love Chappelle's Show.
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Post by: Boid Brain on April 03, 2011, 01:15:22 AM
Don't worry about it, you asked for proper spelling but I wasn't sure which one you wanted it for, lol.

I love Chappelle's Show.
I have mixed feelings about the Chappelle show...too many commercials and too many shitty skits. But I DO have a fave skit.....Paul Mooney's "Negrogamus" made a joke about Wayne Brady: "Wayne Brady makes Brian Gumble look like Malcolm X"

Brady was crushed by the skit, and it got back to Dave. He was sorry that it hurt Brady so bad, and as a result he invited him on the show to do a skit with him. It WAS funny! Enjoy...

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Post by: Final Shemp on April 04, 2011, 01:29:20 PM
Chappelle's Show, while I don't watch it religiously, justified it's existence with that skit of the blind black man who was a member of the KKK.  That was brilliant.
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Post by: metaldams on April 04, 2011, 01:35:01 PM
Chappelle's Show, while I don't watch it religiously, justified it's existence with that skit of the blind black man who was a member of the KKK.  That was brilliant.

Oh yeah, I did see that skit years ago and I still remember it.  Absolutely hysterical!