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The New SHEMP BOOK

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Offline Freddie Sanborn

Anyone who watches these films knows that Moe gets the lion’s share of hard knocks. And Moe was a master at pulling his punches and slaps. No doubt accidents happened ( they’ve been well-documented) but on the whole, the Stooges probably fared much better on the injury front than construction workers.
“If it’s not comedy, I fall asleep.” Harpo Marx


Offline HomokHarcos

We know now that even small hits or blows to the head over time can have long term damage, hence the recent controversy in ice hockey, American football, boxing and pro wrestling. So it’s very possible that the Three Stoogee were suffering in some sort from the slapstick.

However, the general public’s knowledge of CTE didn’t really make grounds until the 2000s, so the book suggesting that Moe was being careless I don’t agree with.


Offline NoahYoung

Does the book have any info on how many birthdays Shemp had? I'm curious about that.
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline NoahYoung

BTW, I'm curious since most people get it wrong.
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline QuinceHead

I haven’t gotten very far into SHEMP!, but I’m finding it a fascinating read so far.

Looks like a lot of “established lore” has gotten debunked, and the author is laying a lot of blame at Moe’s feet for this.

(Part of me wonders if, after Joan Howard Maurer’s death a few years ago, other family members are finally feeling freer to discuss things that don’t quite mesh with what we previously thought we knew?)


Offline metaldams

I’ve been slow reading this too - a horrible bout of insomnia I’m learning to manage thanks to some YouTube channels.  Slowly getting back to normal.  But anyway, I’m about 100 pages in and am at the beginnings of Shemp at Vitaphone.  Yes, indeed it fascinating reading how Shemp was the main guy behind Healy as far as their part of the act is concerned - meaning Healy had a big cast behind him besides Stooges.  The fact Moe wasn’t even there when Larry came on board and was out of the act for years is a revelation for me.  There seem to be several newspaper articles backing this up and it is indeed interesting to read the press Shemp got.
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline falsealarms

I'm curious if anyone else has read the newest Shemp book.....  I was skeptical of any new books on him offering all that much not already widely known. He's been gone for nearly 70 years, after all.

It seems, from a few comments here and some interviews by author Burt Kearns, the book mostly aims to build a case for Shemp's legacy at the expense of Moe.

Is that accurate? I haven't read the book yet because I waiting on some reviews of it.


Offline NoahYoung

Does the book have any info on how many birthdays Shemp had? I'm curious about that.

No one bit. He had exactly one birth day -- just like everyone else!
 [pie]
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline Kopfy2013

I'm curious if anyone else has read the newest Shemp book.....  I was skeptical of any new books on him offering all that much not already widely known. He's been gone for nearly 70 years, after all.

It seems, from a few comments here and some interviews by author Burt Kearns, the book mostly aims to build a case for Shemp's legacy at the expense of Moe.

Is that accurate? I haven't read the book yet because I waiting on some reviews of it.


I am having a hard time getting into this .... Definitely a lot of Moe slapping  [3stooges]  ... and denigrating .....
Niagara Falls


Offline Big Chief Apumtagribonitz

Homok Harcos I wondered about that too, why Shemp suddenly got a Columbia series about the time that Curly's health took a turn for the worse.  Moe claims that he fought hard for Shemp, which makes perfect sense, and Columbia's worries about Shemp returning as the third stooge ( ie he looked too much like Moe, which he doesn't, really ) were obviously eliminated by Shemp's performances in the solo shorts.  Shemp's solo shorts may have been done at Moe's bidding ( or pleading, perhaps depending on the state of Curly's health at any given time ) and Shemp's return to the live act certainly figures in there somewhere, and Curly maybe hung on a year or so longer than expected, at least by Moe, who, as was his wont, was trying his best to keep the stooges act viable, until Curly's big stroke called in all the chips.  Boom, call Shemp.   ( I never believed that Mantan Moreland bullshit, no disrespect to Mantan, who was great, I just find it odd that Moe never mentioned considering anyone besides Mantan, and I insist that Moe in his book ( I have a mint first edition ) mentioned Mantan humorously to point out how impossibly wide they cast their net, which statement I don't buy either.  They knew Curly was sick, and they were breaking in Shemp for at least a year and maybe more both live and in a series of shorts.


Offline QuinceHead

My fellow chowderheads —

Heads up that this new Shemp biography is currently available on Hamilton Books for $24.95 plus S&H!

https://www.hamiltonbook.com/shemp-the-biography-of-the-three-stooges-shemp-howard-the-face-of-film-comedy-hardbound

For duty and humanity,
JohnH aka QuinceHead

EDIT: Whoops — looks like the book’s backordered already!  :P


Offline Big Chief Apumtagribonitz

And I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I just thought of this: even if Moe had seriously considered Mantan, which I don't believe,  and asked Columbia to consider him seriously, I would guess that at that point management would have asked, why Mantan when we've got our own Mantan right here on property in Dudley Dickerson?  Especially since Dudley had already made his bones with the Stooges and Hugh Herbert.  They got Joe Besser later because he was under contract, Dudley might not have been under the same kind of contract, but he obviously could have slid right into place, certainly easier contractually than Mantan, whom I don't want to diss at all, I think he was great.  And of course it is impossible to deny racism here.