Moronika
The community forum of ThreeStooges.net

Swiss Miss (1938) - Laurel and Hardy

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline metaldams



http://www.laurelandhardycentral.com/features.html
http://www.lordheath.com/menu1_2.html

      SWISS MISS tends to be ranked at the bottom of Roach features for a lot of people.  I think part of the problem is the fact it is sandwiched in between two masterpieces in WAY OUT WEST and BLOCK-HEADS, two obviously superior films.  My take is this.  There are four Roach features that I consider bottom tier as far as Roach features go, even though they all have some aspect to enjoy.  They would be SWISS MISS along with the first two features and BONNIE SCOTLAND.  Out of the four, I consider SWISS MISS the best.  Yes, there are flaws, but the look of the film and a couple of fantastic scenes rise this above the others.

      Yes, the film looks wonderful.  One name I want to point out is the art director, Charles D. Hall.  He's not to be confused with beloved Roach character actor Charlie Hall.  The art director version is one of the unsung heroes of Hollywood, as years before this he worked for Universal and is the reason why those thirties horror films look so amazing.  Go to imdb and look at the man's credits and think of what those films look like.  You will grow an appreciation for this man.  SWISS MISS, in its best and worst parts, has a Swiss atmosphere that's always great to look at and Mr. Hall deserves a lot of credit.

      The great scenes from this one would be Stan trying to get brandy out of the rescue dog along with him and Ollie trying to get the piano across the bridge.  Stan is wonderful working with that dog and eventually wins a battle of the wits with the domesticated beast.  The different ways he tries to get the dog to think he's in trouble to get that brandy are a lot of fun and the way he throws those chicken feathers in the air to feign snow is a clever and funny touch.  The bridge scene is a riot because it's almost cartoon like, yet those Stan and Ollie screams, so beloved by now, are what make the cartoon visuals really work.  We also get a gorilla because hey, why not?  Two absolutely fantastic scenes.

      The rest is OK.  The worst of it are a few of the early musical numbers which go by quick enough.  Character wise, I do think they make Ollie a bit too cruel when the restaurant has no apple pie, a rare case in a Roach film where they don't write well for him.  The romantic couple, which involves Walter Woolf King from A NIGHT AT THE OPERA (a film that no doubt inspired this), are at least adult like in their attraction to each other, though the jealousy angle is kind of lame.  It kind of stinks seeing Ollie made a sucker just to make the leading man jealous, but he seems to take it in good stride at the end. 

      The rest of the good stuff is the scene where they're selling mouse traps in the cheese factories and poke holes in the pipes, causing flames to shoot from the floor.  Also, after years of being away, Anita Garvin is back briefly and gets one nice little scene dealing with the boys when selling mouse traps, a fun exercise in circular reasoning.  It's good to see her, but she came back at the urging of Stan, being semi-retired from film at this point.

      Not one of the better films, but like all the Roach features, has something good to offer.  Next film goes way beyond just something good to offer.

- Doug Sarnecky


Offline Tony Bensley

That's some amazing Art Direction credits for Charles D. Hall, basically all of the top tier Universal Horror Films from DRACULA (1931) to BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN (1935).  His career appeared to have petered out after his time at the Hal Roach Studios, though.

Getting to SWISS MISS (1938), I agree that visually, it's the best among Laurel and Hardy's lesser Roach Features.  This was their one feature film that had Technicolor test shots done before Hal Roach abandoned color shooting.  Over the years, I've read of the Hal Roach Studios often being near bankruptcy as a factor regarding why this feature and BABES IN TOYLAND (1934) ultimately weren't shot in Technicolor. 

Whatever one's take of this less acclaimed feature having been produced between two clearly superior Laurel and Hardy focused features (I consider BLOCK-HEADS above average, rather than a masterpiece.), I do find it interesting that Hal Roach never again revisited the Romantic subplot in his three remaining Laurel and Hardy features. 

Although not as painfully obvious as in their much later final effort, ATOLL K (1951), Stan was ill during the shooting of SWISS MISS (1938).  Perhaps this was a contributing factor towards Hal Roach essentially getting his way creatively on this project.

CHEERS!  [pie]


Offline metaldams

That's some amazing Art Direction credits for Charles D. Hall, basically all of the top tier Universal Horror Films from DRACULA (1931) to BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN (1935).  His career appeared to have petered out after his time at the Hal Roach Studios, though.

Getting to SWISS MISS (1938), I agree that visually, it's the best among Laurel and Hardy's lesser Roach Features.  This was their one feature film that had Technicolor test shots done before Hal Roach abandoned color shooting.  Over the years, I've read of the Hal Roach Studios often being near bankruptcy as a factor regarding why this feature and BABES IN TOYLAND (1934) ultimately weren't shot in Technicolor. 

Whatever one's take of this less acclaimed feature having been produced between two clearly superior Laurel and Hardy focused features (I consider BLOCK-HEADS above average, rather than a masterpiece.), I do find it interesting that Hal Roach never again revisited the Romantic subplot in his three remaining Laurel and Hardy features. 

Although not as painfully obvious as in their much later final effort, ATOLL K (1951), Stan was ill during the shooting of SWISS MISS (1938).  Perhaps this was a contributing factor towards Hal Roach essentially getting his way creatively on this project.

CHEERS!  [pie]

I had no idea Stan was sick during this one, though I was aware he was during Atoll K.  Interesting.  What was the issue?  I do believe he had issues with Hal Roach about how this film would be made and Roach won.  Perhaps the relationship with Roach needs to be discussed more, it will be rearing its head in the next few weeks.
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline Tony Bensley

I had no idea Stan was sick during this one, though I was aware he was during Atoll K.  Interesting.  What was the issue?  I do believe he had issues with Hal Roach about how this film would be made and Roach won.  Perhaps the relationship with Roach needs to be discussed more, it will be rearing its head in the next few weeks.
I don't recall any details of Stan's illness, other than the often cited that he looked pale and tired reference, which I have noticed.  At the moment, I've only been able to find reference on the often wildly inaccurate IMDB website (After having first checked Dave Lord Heath's "Another Nice Mess" SWISS MISS page!).  Oddly enough, Stan Laurel's coaxing Anita Garvin out of retirement is debunked on the IMDB page, as well.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0030824/trivia

CHEERS!  [pie]


Offline metaldams

I don't recall any details of Stan's illness, other than the often cited that he looked pale and tired reference, which I have noticed.  At the moment, I've only been able to find reference on the often wildly inaccurate IMDB website (After having first checked Dave Lord Heath's "Another Nice Mess" SWISS MISS page!).  Oddly enough, Stan Laurel's coaxing Anita Garvin out of retirement is debunked on the IMDB page, as well.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0030824/trivia

CHEERS!  [pie]

You're correct about Anita Garvin and I should have looked up her filmography - it clearly confirms she didn't retire.  She's even credited in TOPPER, so she worked with Roach shortly before SWISS MISS.

Ironically, her last role ever was in COOKOO CAVALIERS with The Three Stooges!

- Doug Sarnecky


Offline Umbrella Sam

  • Toastmaster General
  • Knothead
  • *****
    • Talk About Cinema
Well, looking back, SWISS MISS is a little better than I remember, but that still doesn’t change the fact that I personally consider this their worst Roach feature.

Starting with the positives, I agree about the scene with Stan and the dog. The pacing is excellent and it definitely belongs up there with the great solo Stan scenes. I’ll also admit that the randomness of the gorilla during the bridge scene is also pretty funny. There are other good, but more minor scenes, such the part with Anita Garvin, the scene with Stan and Ollie and the fire coming out of the holes, and the scene where Stan plays the tuba and tortures the chef.

Visually, yes, this feature does look great, but I just wish that it were applied to a better story. The major problem that I have with this film is the romantic interests. Look, I get that the guy in BONNIE SCOTLAND was whiny and, sure, it could sometimes get annoying, but I’d rather take him over the egotistical brats that take up the dramatic portions of this film. I mean, come on, the guy literally makes an entire hotel recreate a specific atmosphere just so he can prove he’s a good composer, and the woman just uses Ollie like he was nothing. I suppose if they somehow made it up to him in the end, I wouldn’t mind so much. It would have at least been nice for them to pay his bill so he didn’t have to stay at the hotel anymore. But, no, instead they escape by way of a lame climax involving Laurel and Hardy running from and trapping the chef.

Even the comedy doesn’t always work. The bridge scene drags quite a bit. There was supposed to be a bomb in the piano during this scene to give it more tension (kind of like the bomb-in-the-piano gag used in several Warner Bros. cartoons), but Roach cut it. This leads to a way too long scene in which Stan awkwardly hits keys for no reason at all. I’m also not fond of the whole bubbles scene either. Sorry, but it just felt slow and unfunny to me.

It’s more coherent than BONNIE SCOTLAND and I did find myself enjoying some more of the minor comedy bits than I remember, but the terribly handled story combined with some rather boring, longer comedy scenes makes me still prefer BONNIE SCOTLAND over this. Again, there are some good moments, but it requires sitting through a lot of tediousness.

6 out of 10
“I’ll take a milkshake...with sour milk!” -Shemp (Punchy Cowpunchers, 1950)

My blog: https://talk-about-cinema.blogspot.com


Offline Umbrella Sam

  • Toastmaster General
  • Knothead
  • *****
    • Talk About Cinema
I don't recall any details of Stan's illness, other than the often cited that he looked pale and tired reference, which I have noticed.  At the moment, I've only been able to find reference on the often wildly inaccurate IMDB website (After having first checked Dave Lord Heath's "Another Nice Mess" SWISS MISS page!).  Oddly enough, Stan Laurel's coaxing Anita Garvin out of retirement is debunked on the IMDB page, as well.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0030824/trivia

CHEERS!  [pie]

Wasn’t Stan having serious marital problems around this time? Maybe that contributed to his illness (I recall hearing that he was arrested for drunk driving around this time, so maybe his alcohol intake had increased).
“I’ll take a milkshake...with sour milk!” -Shemp (Punchy Cowpunchers, 1950)

My blog: https://talk-about-cinema.blogspot.com


Offline Tony Bensley

Wasn’t Stan having serious marital problems around this time? Maybe that contributed to his illness (I recall hearing that he was arrested for drunk driving around this time, so maybe his alcohol intake had increased).
Stan Laurel's drunk driving charge didn't occur until September 28, 1938, but Stan was in the midst of extremely serious marital problems at the time of the SWISS MISS (1938) shooting.

While I recall hearing about Stan Laurel being ill during the shooting, I don't believe specifics were ever mentioned in older accounts.  However, Stan's daughter Lois stated it was later found that her father suffered from a chemical imbalance that would kick in after having more than a couple of drinks, and was probably an early precursor to his late 1940s diabetes onset.

CHEERS!  [pie]


Offline metaldams

I guess even childlike comedians on screen had bits of rock star behavior in them.  I've never read anything biographical on either Stan* or Ollie, but the marriages and drunk driving is very rock star.

*Auto correct made this say "Satan"
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline Dr. Mabuse

Hal Roach makes the error of shoehorning Laurel and Hardy into a romantic musical that looks like a Jeanette MacDonald-Nelson Eddy reject. Fortunately, "Swiss Miss" includes some of Stan and Ollie's most memorable scenes, such as their surreal encounter with a gorilla on an Alpine suspension bridge. Skip the dreadful songs and you will have a good time.

6/10
« Last Edit: September 29, 2021, 03:41:43 PM by Dr. Mabuse »


Offline stooge_o_phile

Fortunately, "Swiss Miss" includes some of Stan and Ollie's most memorable scenes, such as their surreal encounter with a gorilla on an Alpine suspension bridge.

I would add to that the same gorilla who fell from that bridge coming back at the end of the film to chase after them in long shot, then throwing his crutch at them and beaning them both!


Offline Tony Bensley

I would add to that the same gorilla who fell from that bridge coming back at the end of the film to chase after them in long shot, then throwing his crutch at them and beaning them both!
That is a very amusing comic moment, and the Gorilla wanting a bit of revenge on the boys is understandable.

CHEERS!  [pie]


Offline HomokHarcos

I like the snowy setting of this movie (I tend to like those), but once again it has the same problem as Bonnie Scotland in that a lot of it focuses on a romantic couple. At least Laurel and Hardy are more integrated in the story here, and they have interactions with the romantic couple. Laurel and Hardy get some good comic bits themselves. I really liked the part where there is a checklist for how many more days Stan and Ollie have to work and they try to erase the amount behind the boss's back! The bridge scene was great and cartoony, like something you would see in a Warner Bros. cartoon. It actually had me in suspense when they walking on it carrying the piano. The selling mouse traps scenario would have worked better with The Three Stooges, and I wish Anita Garvin played a larger role.


Offline NoahYoung

I just had a fresh re-watch of this, so I'll make some comments.


      SWISS MISS tends to be ranked at the bottom of Roach features for a lot of people.  I think part of the problem is the fact it is sandwiched in between two masterpieces in WAY OUT WEST and BLOCK-HEADS, two obviously superior films.  My take is this.  There are four Roach features that I consider bottom tier as far as Roach features go, even though they all have some aspect to enjoy.  They would be SWISS MISS along with the first two features and BONNIE SCOTLAND.  Out of the four, I consider SWISS MISS the best.  Yes, there are flaws, but the look of the film and a couple of fantastic scenes rise this above the others.

I'll have to disagree here. I wouldn't rank PARDON US as bottom tier at all, since it is one of my favorite features of theirs. I never cared for PACK UP YOUR TROUBLES very much, though. (I'll have to comment on that film if there is a review of it in another thread.) I think BONNIE SCOTLAND is much better than SWISS MISS.

I'd actually rank one post-Roach feature, THE BULLFIGHTERS, much funnier than SWISS MISS.


      Yes, the film looks wonderful.  One name I want to point out is the art director, Charles D. Hall.  He's not to be confused with beloved Roach character actor Charlie Hall.  The art director version is one of the unsung heroes of Hollywood, as years before this he worked for Universal and is the reason why those thirties horror films look so amazing.  Go to imdb and look at the man's credits and think of what those films look like.  You will grow an appreciation for this man.  SWISS MISS, in its best and worst parts, has a Swiss atmosphere that's always great to look at and Mr. Hall deserves a lot of credit.

Roach spent $700,000 on this picture, which was the most money he spent on a L&H picture up until this point. I've never read anywhere that the sets were left over from another production. There is a charm to this picture due to the setting. Unfortunately, putting the boys in a setting with big productions values does not necessarily a funny comedy make.


      The great scenes from this one would be Stan trying to get brandy out of the rescue dog along with him and Ollie trying to get the piano across the bridge.  Stan is wonderful working with that dog and eventually wins a battle of the wits with the domesticated beast.  The different ways he tries to get the dog to think he's in trouble to get that brandy are a lot of fun and the way he throws those chicken feathers in the air to feign snow is a clever and funny touch.


This had to have been inspired by an almost identical scene in the Mickey Mouse cartoon ALPINE CLIMBERS from 1936. In that short, Pluto tricks the St. Bernard into giving him the brandy. Since Walt Disney and Hal Roach were supposedly friendly with each other, Disney probably gave the L&H scene his blessing.


 The bridge scene is a riot because it's almost cartoon like, yet those Stan and Ollie screams, so beloved by now, are what make the cartoon visuals really work.  We also get a gorilla because hey, why not?  Two absolutely fantastic scenes.

This scene might be dubbed "THE MUSIC BOX meets THE CHIMP." Charles Gemora plays the chimp/gorilla in the latter film as well. (The Hal Roach studios didn't seem to realize or care that a chimp and a gorilla are 2 different animals.)

I never cared much for this scene, even when I was a kid, probably because even way back then I had read about how great the scene was supposed to be. Had Roach not cut the scene where the Chef plants a bomb in the piano, at least it would have added some additional suspense, and would explain the random hitting of piano keys while they're on the bridge. (This is the classic explanation by Alfred Hitchcock on creating suspense: show the planting of the bomb first, then there's tension as you anticipate it blowing up the people in the scene. If you don't show the planting of the bomb, then later when the people leave the room, and the bomb goes off, it may be surprising, but there would have been no suspense. I suppose Roach knew this wasn't a suspense movie, and the danger of falling off the bridge was already suspenseful enough. And the piano never blows up, anyway.)

I've never seen this in HD (it is not available in HD), but I suppose the fake backdrops in the scene would look, um, fake in HD.


The rest is OK. 

I'd say the whole film is at best "OK."

The worst of it are a few of the early musical numbers which go by quick enough.  Character wise, I do think they make Ollie a bit too cruel when the restaurant has no apple pie, a rare case in a Roach film where they don't write well for him.  The romantic couple, which involves Walter Woolf King from A NIGHT AT THE OPERA (a film that no doubt inspired this), are at least adult like in their attraction to each other, though the jealousy angle is kind of lame.  It kind of stinks seeing Ollie made a sucker just to make the leading man jealous, but he seems to take it in good stride at the end. 

Making Ollie a sucker by having him fall in love with a woman half his age was such a great idea that they repeated it the following year in THE FLYING DEUCES!  :o They had also done this several years earlier in BEAU HUNKS. In fairness, however, in DEUCES, it is a complete misunderstanding caused by Ollie's gross misinterpretation that Georgette is in love wih him. In SWISS MISS, however, Della Lind is a flirtatious tease. Big difference.

This film does have the feel of the M-G-M Marx Brothers movies. Roach felt the same way as Irving Thalberg -- the comedians needed music and a romantic sub-plot to offset the comedy. SWISS MISS is nowhere near as funny as A NIGHT AT THE OPERA and A DAY AT THE RACES.  It's about on par with the final 3 films the Marx Bros. made at M-G-M.

I think Roach succeeded in making a picture that was similar to the musical-comedies being produced at other studios. This is the only film they made for Roach that looks like it was a "loan-out" picture. The presence of Eric Blore reminds me a lot of the Fred Astaire-Ginger Rogers musical-comedies. Over the years, I've come to appreciate the talents of Eric Blore as a supporting player. I watched THE LADY EVE for the first time about a year ago, and I found his performance in that one fantastic! Unfortunately, he is given little to do in SWISS MISS, and shares no scenes with the boys, which was a wasted opportunity. His best scene, which is very short, comes at the end and involves his suprise when Walter Wolf King tells him to bring "the Gypsy girl" up to his room, since he wants to "sign her to a contract." Blore make comments like "oh, is that what you want to call it", and "I didn't know you were into those kind of things." >:D He doesn't realize that the "Gypsy girl" is Della Lind, King's wife in the picture.

      The rest of the good stuff is the scene where they're selling mouse traps in the cheese factories and poke holes in the pipes, causing flames to shoot from the floor. 
Again, Roach cut most of the song that the boys sing in this scene. Strange, since this was a "musical comedy." The whole mousetrap selling scene could have and should have been much funnier.

Also, after years of being away, Anita Garvin is back briefly and gets one nice little scene dealing with the boys when selling mouse traps, a fun exercise in circular reasoning.  It's good to see her, but she came back at the urging of Stan, being semi-retired from film at this point.
There seems to be some debate on whether or not she was indeed semi-retired beofre this film.  According to Randy Skretvedt, in L&H: THE MAGIC BEHIND THE MOVIES, she was back after an absence of 7 years in the boys' films. It doesn't say that she made no other films in that period. I'd have to research it. (BTW, Randy filmed an interview with Garvin on Super 8 film, which is available on the blu-ray restorations disc. On youtube, there are also some appearances where she talks on stage at a SONS OF THE DESERT convention. Fascinating stuff!)

Not one of the better films, but like all the Roach features, has something good to offer. 

It is not a "bad" film by any means; it's just not a hilarious comedy like most of their other features and shorts made for Roach were.

SWISS MISS is usually grouped with L&H's 3 operetta spoofs, although it is not an operetta. In the film, however, King's character is actually trying to compose an operetta. It seems as though Roach was also trying to produce another operetta spoof without having to acquire the rights to one.
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline NoahYoung


Although not as painfully obvious as in their much later final effort, ATOLL K (1951), Stan was ill during the shooting of SWISS MISS (1938).  Perhaps this was a contributing factor towards Hal Roach essentially getting his way creatively on this project.


William K. Everson points that out in THE FILMS OF LAUREL AND HARDY, but I think Stan looks fine, if a bit overweight. In L&H: THE MAGIC BEHIND THE MOVIES, Skretvedt states that Stan was stressed and tired during the making of the movie due to his recent divorce, his re-marriage to a new wife, his ex-wife harassing him in a hotel with his new wife (trying to claim he was a bigamist, forcing Stan to show the divorce papers to the authorites!), and his new wife being hospitalized several times for "nervouse breakdowns." Whew!!!!! Other than that, I don't believe he was actually "ill". ("Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?")
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline NoahYoung

Well, looking back, SWISS MISS is a little better than I remember, but that still doesn’t change the fact that I personally consider this their worst Roach feature.


I did enjoy the viewing I  just had of it, but I didn't find it any better than my viewings over the past 50 years. I hadn't watched it in about 10 years, and it has never been one that I watched often (relatively speaking, compared to my viewings of most of their Roach product.) So it did seem a bit fresh to me. It would be hard to argue that it is not their worst Roach feature, though I've never been fond of PACK UP YOUR TROUBLES, which should be much better than it is. I sometimes wish that SWISS MISS wasn't so slick-looking, which to me is it's main redeeming characteristic. If it were a cheapie, it would be so much easier to totally trash it.

Starting with the positives, I agree about the scene with Stan and the dog. The pacing is excellent and it definitely belongs up there with the great solo Stan scenes.

To me, this falls into the "reads better than it plays" category.


I’ll also admit that the randomness of the gorilla during the bridge scene is also pretty funny.

See my comments above. To me, having a guy in a gorilla suit pop up is usually a cop-out. (As in a few Stooges shorts as well.) I do, however, enjoy THE CHIMP, which is probably the best "guy in a gorilla suit" comedy I've ever seen, even though he is supposed to be a female "chimp."

There are other good, but more minor scenes, such the part with Anita Garvin, the scene with Stan and Ollie and the fire coming out of the holes, and the scene where Stan plays the tuba and tortures the chef.

The Anita Gravin scene is good, and according to her, was supposed to be a much bigger role in the form of a "running gag" throughout the movie.

The fire coming out of the holes scene is weak, and you would think Stan would have come up with some better ideas for mouse-trap gags. (Though in fairness to him, Roach put the kibosh on most of Stan's ideas for this picture.)  It would have been nice to see an actual mouse in this scene, even if it was a cheesy animated mouse as in BRATS.

The scene where Stan plays the tuba and tortures the chef makes no sense, since Roach cut out the scenes where it is established that the Chef hates music, which is why he planted a bomb in the piano, which was also cut out!
 :o

Visually, yes, this feature does look great, but I just wish that it were applied to a better story. The major problem that I have with this film is the romantic interests. Look, I get that the guy in BONNIE SCOTLAND was whiny and, sure, it could sometimes get annoying, but I’d rather take him over the egotistical brats that take up the dramatic portions of this film. I mean, come on, the guy literally makes an entire hotel recreate a specific atmosphere just so he can prove he’s a good composer, and the woman just uses Ollie like he was nothing. I suppose if they somehow made it up to him in the end, I wouldn’t mind so much. It would have at least been nice for them to pay his bill so he didn’t have to stay at the hotel anymore. But, no, instead they escape by way of a lame climax involving Laurel and Hardy running from and trapping the chef.
Yup.

Even the comedy doesn’t always work. The bridge scene drags quite a bit. There was supposed to be a bomb in the piano during this scene to give it more tension (kind of like the bomb-in-the-piano gag used in several Warner Bros. cartoons), but Roach cut it. This leads to a way too long scene in which Stan awkwardly hits keys for no reason at all. I’m also not fond of the whole bubbles scene either. Sorry, but it just felt slow and unfunny to me.

Yup, again.

It’s more coherent than BONNIE SCOTLAND...
Which isn't exactly a great feat in and of itself!

...and I did find myself enjoying some more of the minor comedy bits than I remember, but the terribly handled story combined with some rather boring, longer comedy scenes makes me still prefer BONNIE SCOTLAND over this. Again, there are some good moments, but it requires sitting through a lot of tediousness.

Yes, BONNIE SCOTLAND is a much funnier movie. It's sad that L&H really didn't have any good major comedy scenes in this movie. It one of those "just seeing them on the screen makes it funny" kind of movies. The minor comedy bits are few, and they repeat the gag they just did in WAY OUT WEST -- where Ollie is explaining their predicament to someone else, and Stan start asking him about it as if he didn't know. Then Ollie starts to explain, until he realizes that Stan already knows the predicament. These are the kind of bits I find funnier than anything else in the movie, and were I not so over-familiar with WAY OUT WEST, I wouldn't nitpick this gag.

I do like Stan and Ollie almost doing a mini Cryrano scene with Stan giving Ollie romantic advice. The later punchline scene with Stan blaming Ollie for his failed "romance" because "You didn't play your cards right" is one of the funniest in the picture. That and the Eric Blore lines I mentioned above, to me, are the highlights of the picture.


Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline NoahYoung

I like the snowy setting of this movie (I tend to like those),

With all due respect, what snow? Stan faked snow with feathers, though.  :D

...but once again it has the same problem as Bonnie Scotland in that a lot of it focuses on a romantic couple. At least Laurel and Hardy are more integrated in the story here, and they have interactions with the romantic couple.

The basic plot of BONNIE SCOTLAND has the boys travelling to Scotland to get Stan's inheritance. I don't think they are any more integrated into the story in SWISS MISS. In BONNIE SCOTLAND, they assist the male lead of the romantic couple, the female of which is Stan's cousin. The plot of both movies could have been better written by a 5th grader, though.


 Laurel and Hardy get some good comic bits themselves. I really liked the part where there is a checklist for how many more days Stan and Ollie have to work and they try to erase the amount behind the boss's back!

Good concept that could have and should have been much funnier. Always reminds me of the scene in the ODD COUPLE episode called "The Odd Monks" where the boys spend a few days on retreat at a monastery. Now that scene where they bake the bread, and are supposed to stay silent, is hilarious. One of the head monks keeps track of their verbal "noises" by writing it on a blackboard.

The bridge scene was great and cartoony, like something you would see in a Warner Bros. cartoon. It actually had me in suspense when they walking on it carrying the piano.
See my comments above.

The selling mouse traps scenario would have worked better with The Three Stooges, and I wish Anita Garvin played a larger role.

With the Stooges, Curly would have probably eaten the cheese before the mice had a chance. "Hey Moe! Hey Larry! The cheese!" I'd bet that a mousetrap would have wound up clamped to someone's nose as well! Nyuk Nyuk! Nyuk!

Anita Garvin was supposed to have a larger role. See my comments above.

Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline NoahYoung

Well, I've made a final decision -- this is their worst Roach feature, hands down.

As has been mentioned here I think, or in another thread, Walter Woolf King was also in A NIGHT AT THE OPERA with the Marx Brothers. As I pointed out in another thread, at least we get to see fruit and vegetables thrown at him in that movie, and I've been tempted to throw stuff at the screen when I see him in this film!
 >:D
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline NoahYoung

The romantic couple, which involves Walter Woolf King from A NIGHT AT THE OPERA (a film that no doubt inspired this), [...]

I beg to differ -- SWISS MISS was inspired by L&H's successful operetta spoofs made prior to this film. My theory, purely speculation mind you, was that this was Roach's way of making sort of another operetta spoof without having to purchase the rights to one.

Other than the presence of Woolf, and the fact that there are musical scenes, I see no similarities to the Marx Brothers film.

L&H's musical comedies got worse (or less good, if you will) as the years progressed, although the first 2 are equally excellent. FRA DIAVOLO, however, is more sophisticated and directed more towards adults. After THE BOHEMIAN GIRL, they should have abonded the concept of musical comedies for the boys, but of course they didn't, and we have SWISS MISS to prove it.
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz