70's Music Thread

metaldams · **Reply #25 on:** January 01, 2011, 12:45:38 PM

Seamus, those King Crimson clips are great! I actually listened to all three of them. Those guys were some pretty insane players. I only own the first King Crimson album, but I think that was a different line-up than the clips you posted.

You mentions musicians felt free to experiment back then. Well, that was because the RECORD COMPANIES let them do it. Back then, there was this thing called artist development where record companies allowed bands a few albums to find their sound and build a fan base before deciding to drop them. Today, you better be signed fully developed and become platinum right away or your ass is dropped.

A famous example is Bruce Springsteen. While I'm not a fan at all, his story is interesting in that he broke through with BORN TO RUN, his third album. His first two didn't sell that well, and he was allowed to spend an entire year making that album, and sure enough, he broke through. No way a record company today allows an artist to experiment like that after two commercial failures.

stooged and confused · **Reply #26 on:** January 01, 2011, 02:30:25 PM

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I will be posting quite a bit when I get some more time, but my first entry in this thread is Joe Jackson, a terribly overlooked performer. He is best known for his two hit singles: "Steppin' Out" and "Is She Really Going Out With Him?", both sounding world's apart, which is what is so great about Joe. He mixed rock, pop, punk, new wave, funk and R&B with amazing results. I am submitting "I'm The Man", an LP track which kicks ass, and ""You Can't Get What You Want (Til You Know What You Want)", which became his last radio hit.

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stooged and confused · **Reply #27 on:** January 01, 2011, 02:39:32 PM

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I know some of you have hated on Hall & Oates in another thread, but they had lots of good songs if you look past the hits. Daryl has a great voice as is evident in the clip I'm posting for their "Everytime You Go Away", an LP track that later became a hit for Paul Young. H&O's best songs were LP cuts, NOT the singles. Check out Daryl's LIVE FROM DARYL's HOUSE web show. It has great performances with an eclectic group of musicians.

stooged and confused · **Reply #28 on:** January 01, 2011, 03:16:10 PM

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As long as Zeppelin came up earlier, here are two of my faves: D'YER MAKER and GOING TO CALIFORNIA.

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metaldams · **Reply #29 on:** January 01, 2011, 03:27:43 PM

Quote from: stooged and confused on January 01, 2011, 03:16:10 PM

As long as Zeppelin came up earlier, here are two of my faves: D'YER MAKER and GOING TO CALIFORNIA.

"D'yer Mak'er" is probably my all-time most hated Led Zeppelin song. "Going To California" might be in my top 5 or so favorites.

Talk about a bi-polar post.

stooged and confused · **Reply #30 on:** January 01, 2011, 03:54:55 PM

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Let's give the R&B side a try. So many songs labeled as "disco" were anything but. Just because it had a dance beat didn't make it disco. First up: George McCrae's #1 crossover "Rock Your Baby", written by Harry Wayne Casey of KC & the Sunshine Band fame.

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Second is "Nights On Broadway" by The Bee Gees. I always felt The Bee Gees were unfairly labeled in the "disco" category. I agree with Bono from U2 who called The Gibb Brothers the best contemporary songwriters along side Lennon/McCartney and Rogers/Hammerstein. In addition to their own hits, they wrote for slews of other artists.

metaldams · **Reply #31 on:** January 01, 2011, 03:56:42 PM

......because two clips of Thin Lizzy ain't enough. If I can convince just one of you that Phil Lynott was a songwriting genius and Thin Lizzy was one of the great bands of all-time, the aliens can finally take me back to my home planet, because my mission here is done.

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"Emerald"

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"Wild One"

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"Sarah"

stooged and confused · **Reply #32 on:** January 01, 2011, 03:59:27 PM

I like all of the artists included thus far. Thin Lizzy, David Bowie, Rush and Black Sabbath take me back to my high school days. I listened to that stuff right along side "Rock The Boat" and "Love Rollercoaster" and many other AM pop hits. Any Nazareth and Foghat fans here?

stooged and confused · **Reply #33 on:** January 01, 2011, 04:02:14 PM

Quote from: metaldams on January 01, 2011, 03:27:43 PM

"D'yer Mak'er" is probably my all-time most hated Led Zeppelin song. "Going To California" might be in my top 5 or so favorites.

Talk about a bi-polar post.

I always liked the reggae feel of "D'yer Mak'er".

stooged and confused · **Reply #34 on:** January 01, 2011, 04:16:10 PM

One more post so you can catch up. Two R&B greats of the 70s (with a heads up to The Spinners and The O'Jays) are Al Green and The Stylistics...

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metaldams · **Reply #35 on:** January 01, 2011, 04:19:45 PM

Quote from: stooged and confused on January 01, 2011, 03:59:27 PM

Any Nazareth and Foghat fans here?

I don't have any Foghat in my collection, but I do own HAIR OF THE DOG.

As of 1976, this is one of the heaviest songs ever not written by Black Sabbath.

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"Miss Misery"

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and here's "Please Don't Judas Me," covered by Metallica

I love both versions, lyrically a very strong song too.

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...and for you top 40 junkies, "Love Hurts"

Shemp_Diesel · **Reply #36 on:** January 01, 2011, 04:32:22 PM

Some AC/DC for the thread...

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Curly4444 · **Reply #37 on:** January 01, 2011, 04:51:32 PM

@Shemp_Diesel

What no "big Balls", "Thunderstruck" or "For those about to rock".

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I know some of you have hated on Hall & Oates in another thread, but they had lots of good songs if you look past the hits.

What was wrong with the hits? They were great 80's hits.

Seamus · **Reply #38 on:** January 01, 2011, 06:20:44 PM

Quote from: metaldams on January 01, 2011, 12:45:38 PM

You mentions musicians felt free to experiment back then. Well, that was because the RECORD COMPANIES let them do it. Back then, there was this thing called artist development where record companies allowed bands a few albums to find their sound and build a fan base before deciding to drop them. Today, you better be signed fully developed and become platinum right away or your ass is dropped.

Very true, and one reason why so many bands today are embracing the Internet as a way to bypass the record companies and get direct access to fans. Still much, much easier to promote yourself when you've got a record label backing you up, but the Internet has at least made it possible for established artists who have a modest but reliable fan base to drop the record company and deal directly with the people who want their music.

I'm sure you're right about record companies back in the day being more patient with their artists during their development, although I understand some labels in the '70 found ways to place more of the financial burden on the artists during their fledgling days. Like making the artists foot the bill for their own tours, and not paying them any kind of compensation while on tour (the justification being that the artists were responsible for promoting their own work on the road, and their reward would be increased sales of their record). I've read accounts of record labels slapping bands with hefty bills at the end of a tour, leaving them with the ass out of their pants. Not sure if this practice was the norm across the board (and it may have been limited to British labels), but that way of doing business seems insane these days.

Quote from: metaldams on January 01, 2011, 12:45:38 PM

Seamus, those King Crimson clips are great! I actually listened to all three of them. Those guys were some pretty insane players. I only own the first King Crimson album, but I think that was a different line-up than the clips you posted.

Really glad you enjoyed the KC clips! I'd recommend checking out the 4-disk GREAT DECEIVER live set if you want to hear more (the clips were from those disks). You're right about the line-up being different than the one that played on their first album (apart from the ever-present Robert Fripp). The band's had quite a few line-up changes over the years, and they usually start with a clean musical slate with every personnel change. IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING is probably their most famous album with the general public, but it's not representative of what they evolved into shortly thereafter, and most fans tend to prefer either the '72-'74 or '81-84 incarnations. I always thought the '72-'74 version sounded like a demonic cousin of the Mahavishnu Orchestra.

Think I'm gonna have to check out some more Thin Lizzy. One of those bands I only ever knew by name but never checked out. Really liking what you posted! They definitely shit all over U2...

metaldams · **Reply #39 on:** January 01, 2011, 07:02:27 PM

Quote from: Curly4444 on January 01, 2011, 04:51:32 PM

@Shemp_Diesel

What no "big Balls", "Thunderstruck" or "For those about to rock".

"Big Balls" = Fun novelty song
"Thunderstruck" = 1990
"For Those About To Rock" = 1981
This thread = 1970's
Metaldams = A cheater because he posted a recent Metallica cover of "Please Don't Judas Me"

Shemp_Diesel posted some good AC/DC choices. The Bon Scott era is definitely my favorite.

metaldams · **Reply #40 on:** January 01, 2011, 07:19:51 PM

Quote from: Seamus on January 01, 2011, 06:20:44 PM

Very true, and one reason why so many bands today are embracing the Internet as a way to bypass the record companies and get direct access to fans. Still much, much easier to promote yourself when you've got a record label backing you up, but the Internet has at least made it possible for established artists who have a modest but reliable fan base to drop the record company and deal directly with the people who want their music.

Yeah, the Internet really has taken over music, in some ways good and in some ways bad. You're right major bands are starting to realize they can do things their own way. Metallica sells every concert from their last few tours independently on their website as a download (as opposed to Pearl Jam, who earlier released actual physical product when they did the same with one of their tours). Radiohead even had fans name a price to pay for one of their albums, and free is one of the options.

But bands trying to make it? Forget it. There's too much out there, and any hack can get on the Internet and post their music. Shit, me and my friends are proof of that.

The bassist has shorter hair these days. There's too much crap before finding the diamonds in the rough.

http://threestooges.net/forums/index.php/topic,3423.0.html

Yeah, I'll definitely have to check out more King Crimson, I really like what I heard. Oh, and yeah, I do know Bill Bruford, as I have a lot of the Yes CD's he played on.

Also, glad I'm not the only one who thinks Thin Lizzy craps all over U2.

Curly4444 · **Reply #41 on:** January 01, 2011, 07:27:58 PM

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"Big Balls" = Fun novelty song
"Thunderstruck" = 1990
"For Those About To Rock" = 1981
This thread = 1970's
Metaldams = A cheater because he posted a recent Metallica cover of "Please Don't Judas Me"

Well maybe we can save some of those for if we do a 80's thread.

Seamus · **Reply #42 on:** January 02, 2011, 08:07:37 AM

Quote from: metaldams on January 01, 2011, 07:19:51 PM

Yeah, the Internet really has taken over music, in some ways good and in some ways bad. You're right major bands are starting to realize they can do things their own way. Metallica sells every concert from their last few tours independently on their website as a download (as opposed to Pearl Jam, who earlier released actual physical product when they did the same with one of their tours). Radiohead even had fans name a price to pay for one of their albums, and free is one of the options.

I heard about Radiohead's "name your price" model a couple years ago. Didn't the average take per album end up being something absurdly low? Wonder if they repeated that strategy for later albums. Marillion (another favorite of mine) might have been the first ones to go straight to the fans through the Internet, back in 2000. Instead of the usual process of taking up a deal with EMI to fund the production of the album they were working on, they tentatively asked the fans in their email database if they'd be willing to pre-pay for their next album while they were still making it, more than a year prior to its release. They got a positive response, and made enough on pre-orders to fund the making of the album free of any record label pressures (they just used EMI to distribute). They've used that model for most of the albums they've made since, and the fans who pre-order get a nice fancy album package with their names printed inside. But like you said, all these strategies only work for bands that have already achieved some degree of success, so the record labels are still a necessary evil.

Quote from: metaldams on January 01, 2011, 07:19:51 PM

But bands trying to make it? Forget it. There's too much out there, and any hack can get on the Internet and post their music. Shit, me and my friends are proof of that. The bassist has shorter hair these days. There's too much crap before finding the diamonds in the rough.

Yeah, just look at all the MySpace pages of optimistic young bands hoping grow a fanbase and get discovered. Most of them are just sitting around collecting spam.

Seamus · **Reply #43 on:** January 02, 2011, 09:39:31 AM

How about a little Todd? Todd Rundgren is one of those artists who really took advantage of the relative freedom musicians had in the '70s to experiment and explore. The guy was so prolific during that decade. Gorgeous pop/rock (his SOMETHING/ANYTHING album is one of the best things, of any kind, ever), psychedelic rock, proggy studio experiments - Rundgren did it all, and it all sounded so good (well, OK, a couple of his indulgent drug-fueled instrumental pieces tried the patience a little). But anyway:

Just One Victory:
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Hello It's Me:
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Love of the Common Man:
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Couldn't I Just Tell You:
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garystooge · **Reply #44 on:** January 02, 2011, 01:09:34 PM

Here's my favorite instrumental song of the 70's (and maybe ever). This unbelievable live version let's Edgar Winter totally show off.... on 3 instruments! He doesn't even let Rick Derringer on lead guitar get in a single good solo lick in 9 minutes! And I forgot how good the drummer was in this group...wonder whatever happened to him? Anyway, watching this whole thing to its conclusion leaves me feeling winded at the end!

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metaldams · **Reply #45 on:** January 02, 2011, 04:08:56 PM

Stooge and Confused, you mentioned Joe Jackson earlier. Never knew much by him except the fact that Anthrax covered "Got the Time." Now Anthrax is one of the first bands I ever got into, so even though I know Joe Jackson did the original, I almost felt like I was listening to a cover version since I've heard the Anthrax version probably hundreds of times. Below is a live version of the original, followed by Anthrax's version, which is from 1990.

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metaldams · **Reply #46 on:** January 02, 2011, 04:20:13 PM

Here's a case where a band is actually served well by their most famous song, and I like their deeper cuts too. A definitive classic, "Don't Fear the Reaper" from Blue Oyster Cult. That Buck Dharma guitar solo is KILLER!

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JazzBill · **Reply #47 on:** January 02, 2011, 05:51:16 PM

Elton John was huge in the 70s. I don't care for him that much but I do like this song. I was overseas in the army when this album came out, so I don't know if it got much airplay. I doubt if this song did because it has the N word in it.

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Giff me dat fill-em! · **Reply #48 on:** January 02, 2011, 09:20:40 PM

Another less heard one ...

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falsealarms · **Reply #49 on:** January 03, 2011, 01:39:18 AM

Quote from: metaldams on January 02, 2011, 04:20:13 PM

Here's a case where a band is actually served well by their most famous song, and I like their deeper cuts too. A definitive classic, "Don't Fear the Reaper" from Blue Oyster Cult. That Buck Dharma guitar solo is KILLER!

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I LOVE this song. A true classic.