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Men O' War (1929) - Laurel and Hardy

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Offline ChrisBungoStudios

I'm a big A&C fan and a big L&H fan, but L&H rank higher in my "favorites" list of comedians. I still like A&C's version of the routine better.

A&C and L&H had totally different styles -- and that routine suits A&C much better. When Abbott coaxes Costello for the thousandth time, sometimes I'm actually convinced that he really does want Costello to order something! So even though I've seen the routine a thousand times, I let out a huge howl when Costello orders and Abbott freaks out again!

I generally don't like to compare my favorite comedians to each other, but in this case, a comparison is necessary because it is essentially the same routine.

When I was a kid, I had a cousin who told me that A&C were funnier than L&H, because with L&H, in his words, "You can predict what they're gonna do." He would demonstrate this to me as we watched a L&H movie. (I presume one he hadn't seen before.)  "Now he's gonna slip on the banana peel," he would tell me, seconds before Ollie, or whoever, slipped on a banana peel.

It never bothered me that you could predict what they were going to do, but years later I discovered that that was part of their formula! They didn't think they were surprising us by doing "unpredictable" things. Did they really think we wouldn't expect Ollie to fall off the roof when he and Stan were installing an antenna! Nope, they mastered the art of the "anticipated laugh", to coin a phrase. We know he will fall, his wife knows he will fall, and even Stan probably knows he will fall. The only one who doesn't know it is Ollie himself! That's the joke!

When we watch the Stooges, we're just waiting for the eye-poke, the head bashing, etc. It doesn't diminish the humour because we knew it was coming. Now sometimes they would surprise us with shorts like THEY STOOGE TO CONGA which one-ups every other short they made when it comes to violence!


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There are some who feel that none of their talkies reached the heights of their silent classics. I'm not one of those people, though. In fact, I feel they hit higher heights in the talkies. In the silents, their characters weren't yet fully developed. (Much like the native girls Captain Spaulding took pictures of during his safari.)
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Great comments. Something that I would like to mention: Let's not forget Season 1 of the Abbott & Costello TV show. In my opinion, that was the best Abbott & Costello because it was condensed to fit a 30 minute (probably 24 minute) block and there wasn't a wasted moment on any subplots. Just pure Abbott & Costello.


Offline NoahYoung


Great comments. Something that I would like to mention: Let's not forget Season 1 of the Abbott & Costello TV show. In my opinion, that was the best Abbott & Costello because it was condensed to fit a 30 minute (probably 24 minute) block and there wasn't a wasted moment on any subplots. Just pure Abbott & Costello.

Thanks.

Yes, I'm a big fan of the A&C Show. While Season 2 isn't as good as Season 1, it really isn't as bad as some think, at least to me. There are a few gems, and after all, they used up all of their burlesque routines in Season 1! I believe most episodes clock-in at around 26 minutes, which is 4 minutes longer than today's sitcoms.

The A&C Show is equivalent to what it would have been like if A&C had appeared in shorts instead of features. In shorts, like those of L&H and The Stooges, no continuity was expected, or followed. Sitcoms, however, are expected to have continuity from episode to episode. That being said, The A&C Show often threw continuity out the window! How many relatives of Mr. Fields appeared on the show, played by Sid Fields himself? And they went through 2 seasons of not paying Mr. Fields a dime for rent, and yet they were never evicted. Did Mr. Bacciagalupe ever have the same job in 2 different episodes?

BTW, there are a handful of Season 2 episodes that I'd place above a handful of Season 1 episodes.



Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline ChrisBungoStudios

Thanks.

Yes, I'm a big fan of the A&C Show. While Season 2 isn't as good as Season 1, it really isn't as bad as some think, at least to me. There are a few gems, and after all, they used up all their burlesque routines in Season 1! I believe most episodes clock-in at around 26 minutes, which is 4 minutes longer than today's sitcoms.

The A&C Show is equivalent to what it would have been like if A&C had appeared in shorts instead of features. Although in shorts, like those of L&H and The Stooges, no continuity was expected, or followed, sitcoms are expected to have continuity from episode to episode. That being said, The A&C Show often threw continuity out the window! How many relatives of Mr. Fields appeared on the show, played by Sid Fields himself? And they went through 2 seasons of not paying Mr. Fields a dime for rent, and yet they were never evicted. Did Mr. Bacciagalupe ever have the same job in 2 different episodes?

You ARE a true Abbott and Costello fan! Do you subscribe to the newsletter? It's overseen by Lou's daughter, Chris Costello.


Offline NoahYoung

You ARE a true Abbott and Costello fan! Do you subscribe to the newsletter? It's overseen by Lou's daughter, Chris Costello.

No, I don't.  Years ago, I used to subscribe to stuff like that (not for A&C though), but that was long before the Web took off.
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline ChrisBungoStudios

No, I don't.  Years ago, I used to subscribe to stuff like that (not for A&C though), but that was long before the Web took off.

If you want to subscribe (it's free), send an email to:

accollectibles@aol.com
and give your name, city and state that you live in


Offline NoahYoung

If you want to subscribe (it's free), send an email to:

accollectibles@aol.com
and give your name, city and state that you live in

Thanks. Is it a printed newsletter or a file? I guess the latter. BTW, I'm pretty close to Paterson, but I never went to see the statue. Not the safest neighborhood in the world -- I'll leave it at that.

I didn't know that aol emails were still a thing. ;)
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline ChrisBungoStudios

Thanks. Is it a printed newsletter or a file? I guess the latter. BTW, I'm pretty close to Paterson, but I never went to see the statue. Not the safest neighborhood in the world -- I'll leave it at that.

I didn't know that aol emails were still a thing. ;)

Yeah, I've got a few friends still using AOL email. Too much of a hassle for them to get a gmail or yahoo email and then have to train everyone to send to the new address.

The A&C newsletter is delivered to your email.

I've been to the Lou Costello statue. There's a group of A&C fans that do a cleanup of the park a few times a year. As a (very young) kid, we lived in Paterson. But that's like 60 years ago!


Offline NoahYoung

Yeah, I've got a few friends still using AOL email. Too much of a hassle for them to get a gmail or yahoo email and then have to train everyone to send to the new address.

The A&C newsletter is delivered to your email.

I've been to the Lou Costello statue. There's a group of A&C fans that do a cleanup of the park a few times a year. As a (very young) kid, we lived in Paterson. But that's like 60 years ago!

I getting nearer to being 60 years old!
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz



Online Big Chief Apumtagribonitz

I'm guessing I might be the oldest one on the site.  Born in 1953, I'll be 71 next month.


Offline ChrisBungoStudios

I'm guessing I might be the oldest one on the site.  Born in 1953, I'll be 71 next month.

Hmmmm.... I would think there would be some folks on here even older, due to the site being about, you know, old movies!


Online Big Chief Apumtagribonitz

Could be.  I'm throwing this out there to see if there are any geezers even older than me out there.  Just for fun, in a geezery way.


Offline NoahYoung

Good -- now I feel young at 59.
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline Freddie Sanborn

I’m 71, born in January ‘53. Do I get the prize for geezerdom?
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Offline metaldams

I’m the child at 45.  Between this board and a horror board I post at, I’ve come to the conclusion I’m now the only person of my generation into this stuff.  Most old enough to be my Dad, and the ones who aren’t I’m old enough to be their Dad.
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Offline NoahYoung

I’m the child at 45.  Between this board and a horror board I post at, I’ve come to the conclusion I’m now the only person of my generation into this stuff.  Most old enough to be my Dad, and the ones who aren’t I’m old enough to be their Dad.

Well, for my generation, we were force-fed this stuff in the years before cable became a "thing." In fact, my neighborhood in Brooklyn didn't get cable until 1987!!! People were in an uproar for years -- must have been some sort of political thing.

We had CBS, NBC, ABC, (plus each had the local affiliates outside of prime-time), 3 independent channels, and PBS. There were lots of UHF channels, but rarely did any have decent reception, and they were usually a few steps below VHF in content. (But Channel 47 from Newark, NJ, used to air Laurel and Hardy, followed by The Stooges, dubbed into Spanish! El Gordo y el Flaco, and Los Tres Chiflados, respectively. They did this for a year or 2. I watched these when both teams were off-the-air in English on my local stations.)

So you watched what was on! Except for prime-time on the 3 networks, everything else was pretty much news, old TV shows, and very old movies. The not-so-old movies usually had a network run for many years until they were syndicated.
The networks ran first-run kid's shows on Saturday mornings, but they even sneaked in old former prime-time shows like THE FLINTSTONES and the JETSONS. The networks ran first-run soap-operas in the afternoon. (Yuck!!!!)

The old TV shows and movies appealed to us young kids. In the afternoon, would you watch a soap opera or the Stooges, or the Rascals? Then WABC-TV had the 4:30 movie -- older but not too old movies. The time-slot was only 90 minutes, so a lot was usually cut out, unless it was an unusally lengthy movie, where they would air it in parts throughout the week. I think it took them the whole week, or close to it, to show CLEOPATRA with Liz Taylor and Richard Burton.

So we got hooked on the classics for the simple fact that the choices were few. Had they not run them ad infinitum, I might not be typing this on this forum right now. In fact, they probably became classics due to their TV exposure and growing popularity because of it. In the Stooges case, their career was revived due to TV exposure.

I can also see a scenario where the Stooges left theatrical shorts in the early 50s and moved to a TV show instead, a la THE ABBOTT AND COSTELLO SHOW. The content could have been almost identical to the shorts of the 50s we now have. The downside is that the series might not have lasted very long, since few TV series do -- especially back in the 50s.



Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz