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Offline falsealarms

Now that these sets of shorts is coming to the end, lets rank the sets from best to worst. Base your rankings on the quality of shorts in each set -- i.e are the shorts from 34-36 better than ones from 40-42?

I'd rank them as:

1934-1936 (VOL 1) - Best shorts: Three Little Beers, False Alarms, Pain in the Pullman
1940-1942 (VOL 3) - Best shorts: Nurse to Worse, Loco Boy Makes Good, Boobs in Arms
1949-1951 (VOL 6) - Best shorts: Vagabond Loafers, Studio Stoops, Slaphappy Sleuths
1952-1954 (VOL 7) - Best shorts: Gents in a Jam, Loose Loot, Tricky Dicks
1937-1939 (VOL 2) - Best shorts: Cash and Carry, We Want Our Mummy, Three Sappy People
1943-1945 (VOL 4) - Best shorts: Dizzy Pilots, Gem of a Jam, I Can Hardly Wait
1955-1959 (VOL 8 ) - Best shorts: Blunder Boys, Gypped in the Penthouse, Merry Mix Up
1946-1948 (VOL 5) - Best shorts: Fright Night, Hold That Lion, Mummy's Dummies


Offline GentWithoutCents

1937-1939 (VOL 2) - Best shorts: Cash and Carry, Dizzy Doctors, The Sitter Downers
1940-1942 (VOL 3) - Best shorts: Nurse to Worse, So Long Mr. Chumps, A Plumbing We Will Go
1949-1951 (VOL 6) - Best shorts: Self-Made Maids, Studio Stoops, Baby Sitters Jitters, Scrambled Brains
1943-1945 (VOL 4) - Best shorts: They Stooge to Conga, Spook Louder,  Idiots Deluxe
1934-1936 (VOL 1) - Best shorts: Three Little Beers, False Alarms, Disorder in the Court
1952-1954 (VOL 7) - Best shorts: Listen Judge, Up in Daisy's Penthouse, Goof on the Roof
1946-1948 (VOL 5) - Best shorts: Beer Barrel Polecats, Brideless Groom, Heavenly Daze
1955-1959 (VOL 8 ) - Best shorts: Blunder Boys, Rusty Romeos, A Merry Mix Up


Offline metaldams

Seriously boys and girls and everything in between, I hope this gets more replies than what color the next DVD set's going to be.  This is actually a good idea for a thread.  I almost started it myself, but Falsealarms beat me to it.

Soooo, my opinion.

#1 Vol. 3 (1940 - 1942)  The creme de la creme.  Curly at his peak.  Jules and Del firing bullets at each other left and right, mostly bullseyes.  A PLUMBING WE WILL GO, AN ACHE IN EVERY STAKE, I need gin.

#2 Vol. 2 (1937 - 1939) About to enter their peak, and we get the Charley Chase flavor, which is sometimes a good thing, sometimes a bad thing, but always an interesting thing. 

#3 Vol. 1 (1934 - 1936) Getting their feet wet and finding their characters. Budgets and youth are on their side, and there are definitely some classics here.

#4 Vol. 4 (1943 - 1945) Still great shorts, but you can see Curly and Del Lord slipping towards the end.

#5 Vol. 6 (1949 - 1951) A shame we can't get an entire volume of prime Shemp.  Plenty of good ones here, but it's becoming obvious at this point Jules is slipping and Edward Bernds is outclassing him. 

#6 Vol. 5 (1946 - 1948)  Plenty of great early Shemps, but man, these late Curlys, IN ORDER nonetheless, have me reaching for some prozac.  So sad to watch a performer we love so much fade before our eyes, and he's only in his early 40's. 

#7 Vol. 7 (1952 - 1954)  A few good shorts, but we're entering remake hell.

#8 Vol. 8 (1956 - 1959) More remakes, the back of Palma's head, and Joe Besser.  Only for the kind of fans that would post on a Three Stooges message board.

- Doug Sarnecky


Offline falsealarms

Yes, I thought this could be something that people have some fun with and maybe debate a bit.

The older I get, the harder it is to watch those final Curly's.


Offline Seamus

I bought the first seven volumes in a bundle (I didn't get hip to these sets until the first six had already been released), and worked through them at a steady rate over the course of a few months.  Watching them that way, you can easily plot the boys' quality curve over time, especially if (like me) you hadn't seen these shorts for years and don't carry any particular biases.  Here's how they played out for me:


Volume 3: Really a toss-up between this and the previous set.  These sets reaffirm the conventional wisdom that 1937-1942 saw the Stooges operating at full power.  Every aspect - writing, performance, production values, rhythm - is top tier stuff.  V3 barely edges out V2 on grounds of personal preference, for inclusion of shorts like Plumbing, How High is Up, and Ache in Every Stake, and also for the complete absence of Charley Chase in the director's chair (sorry Chase fans).

Volume 2:  See the above comments for V3.  The inclusion of all the Chase-directed shorts (which I found a bit too mawkish and gentle-handed, like he really wanted to present the boys as adorable little clowns) dilutes this one a bit, but this set still has one of the highest concentrations of prime shorts.  After three years on the job the boys are in the groove, rocking like daddies, and at this early stage the gags haven't started repeating themselves too egregiously yet.

Volume 1: One of the most surprising revelations while watching these shorts was seeing how good Larry was in the first three years.  By the next volume of shorts Curly would go nova and Larry would be relegated to the background to make room for the Jerome explosion, but on Volume 1 he's given equal footing with the other two, and the grace and precision of his performance was an unexpected delight.  I'd argue that 1934-1936 may be the only years Larry could be said to have actually been performing, rather than just reacting instinctively to the mayhem going on around him.  As for the shorts themselves, although you can see the boys (and the production team) trying to find their rhythm in these earliest shorts, they settle in pretty quickly, and it's fun watching Curly's confidence grow as you work through the shorts on this volume.

Volume 6:  Shemp Howard inna house!  This volume was like someone opening a window and letting in a cool breeze after the dreary Volume 5, and the aqua blue color was a soothing balm for my post-Volume 5 anxiety.  Shemp has settled into his Stooge persona nicely by now, and gives what may be his best performance with the Stooges in Who Done It?  The many Shemp shorts on this set that were new to me made this one a special treat.  The inclusion of a few (non-stock footage) remakes hints at the creative well starting to run dry, but even these don't detract much since Shemp manages to give these old scripts a fresh spin.  And as Metal mentioned, it's fun watching Burns run rings around White with his more thoughtful handling of the material.

Volume 4:  Still a great set of shorts overall, you can see the boys starting to come down from their Volume 2-3 peak just a bit, particularly starting around the halfway point.  And of course you can sense the ill-winds coming with the last few shorts...

Volume 7:  A few scattered standout shorts and some 3D novelty, but it's all going stale at this point.  Cheap sets, gags we've all seen a dozen times before, recycled footage galore, and Moe's eye-bags are bigger than ever.  I admit it, I enjoyed Choo Choo.  Crazy-ass short, but the experimental direction felt so much fresher than most of the other shorts on this set.  The fact that I watched this set at the tail end of a chronological multi-month Stooge marathon probably doesn't do it any favors.  The repeat gags are more evident, and I was probably suffering from Stooge exhaustion by that point.  But there's no denying that the Stooges were pretty much out of gas and coasting to the end by this point.  Can't help but wonder, though, how this set of shorts would rate with someone who wasn't familiar with the Stooges and didn't know they were looking at 45% reused footage.

Volume 5:  Pretty unpleasant viewing.  I rate Three Little Pirates higher than it probably deserves, only because Curly was mostly conscious and almost competent throughout the whole thing, which can't be said for the rest of his shorts on this set.  Watching Curly on this volume is like watching your kid act in a school play...you're on the edge of your seat, rooting for him and wanting so much for him to get it right and not embarrass himself, yet there he is missing his mark, delivering his lines uncomfortably, and needing a prod from his fellow actors now and then.  And all you can do is squirm.  Matters are made worse by the some of the worst material the Stooges have ever had to work with.  Shorts like Beer Barrel Polecats, Three Loan Wolves, and (dear god) Rhythm and Weep make the first half of this set the Stooges' absolute nadir.  The arrival of Shemp half way through this volume at least gives you a sense of relief after watching a barely animate Curly struggle through the first half of the set, but as great as Shemp is, it takes him a few shorts to get revved up.  At least you get the superb Brideless Groom on this Volume, which is probably the highlight of this otherwise depressing set.

Volume 8:  Not sure I'm going to pick this up, to be honest.  The writing was on the wall with Volume 7, and I'm not sure I need a set comprising mostly recycled Shemp footage and and a few contractually obligated shorts where everyone is pretending Joe Besser is an adequate substitute for a Howard brother. 


Offline metaldams

I bought the first seven volumes in a bundle (I didn't get hip to these sets until the first six had already been released), and worked through them at a steady rate over the course of a few months.  Watching them that way, you can easily plot the boys' quality curve over time, especially if (like me) you hadn't seen these shorts for years and don't carry any particular biases.  Here's how they played out for me:


Volume 3: Really a toss-up between this and the previous set.  These sets reaffirm the conventional wisdom that 1937-1942 saw the Stooges operating at full power.  Every aspect - writing, performance, production values, rhythm - is top tier stuff.  V3 barely edges out V2 on grounds of personal preference, for inclusion of shorts like Plumbing, How High is Up, and Ache in Every Stake, and also for the complete absence of Charley Chase in the director's chair (sorry Chase fans).

Volume 2:  See the above comments for V3.  The inclusion of all the Chase-directed shorts (which I found a bit too mawkish and gentle-handed, like he really wanted to present the boys as adorable little clowns) dilutes this one a bit, but this set still has one of the highest concentrations of prime shorts.  After three years on the job the boys are in the groove, rocking like daddies, and at this early stage the gags haven't started repeating themselves too egregiously yet.

Volume 1: One of the most surprising revelations while watching these shorts was seeing how good Larry was in the first three years.  By the next volume of shorts Curly would go nova and Larry would be relegated to the background to make room for the Jerome explosion, but on Volume 1 he's given equal footing with the other two, and the grace and precision of his performance was an unexpected delight.  I'd argue that 1934-1936 may be the only years Larry could be said to have actually been performing, rather than just reacting instinctively to the mayhem going on around him.  As for the shorts themselves, although you can see the boys (and the production team) trying to find their rhythm in these earliest shorts, they settle in pretty quickly, and it's fun watching Curly's confidence grow as you work through the shorts on this volume.

Volume 6:  Shemp Howard inna house!  This volume was like someone opening a window and letting in a cool breeze after the dreary Volume 5, and the aqua blue color was a soothing balm for my post-Volume 5 anxiety.  Shemp has settled into his Stooge persona nicely by now, and gives what may be his best performance with the Stooges in Who Done It?  The many Shemp shorts on this set that were new to me made this one a special treat.  The inclusion of a few (non-stock footage) remakes hints at the creative well starting to run dry, but even these don't detract much since Shemp manages to give these old scripts a fresh spin.  And as Metal mentioned, it's fun watching Burns run rings around White with his more thoughtful handling of the material.

Volume 4:  Still a great set of shorts overall, you can see the boys starting to come down from their Volume 2-3 peak just a bit, particularly starting around the halfway point.  And of course you can sense the ill-winds coming with the last few shorts...

Volume 7:  A few scattered standout shorts and some 3D novelty, but it's all going stale at this point.  Cheap sets, gags we've all seen a dozen times before, recycled footage galore, and Moe's eye-bags are bigger than ever.  I admit it, I enjoyed Choo Choo.  Crazy-ass short, but the experimental direction felt so much fresher than most of the other shorts on this set.  The fact that I watched this set at the tail end of a chronological multi-month Stooge marathon probably doesn't do it any favors.  The repeat gags are more evident, and I was probably suffering from Stooge exhaustion by that point.  But there's no denying that the Stooges were pretty much out of gas and coasting to the end by this point.  Can't help but wonder, though, how this set of shorts would rate with someone who wasn't familiar with the Stooges and didn't know they were looking at 45% reused footage.

Volume 5:  Pretty unpleasant viewing.  I rate Three Little Pirates higher than it probably deserves, only because Curly was mostly conscious and almost competent throughout the whole thing, which can't be said for the rest of his shorts on this set.  Watching Curly on this volume is like watching your kid act in a school play...you're on the edge of your seat, rooting for him and wanting so much for him to get it right and not embarrass himself, yet there he is missing his mark, delivering his lines uncomfortably, and needing a prod from his fellow actors now and then.  And all you can do is squirm.  Matters are made worse by the some of the worst material the Stooges have ever had to work with.  Shorts like Beer Barrel Polecats, Three Loan Wolves, and (dear god) Rhythm and Weep make the first half of this set the Stooges' absolute nadir.  The arrival of Shemp half way through this volume at least gives you a sense of relief after watching a barely animate Curly struggle through the first half of the set, but as great as Shemp is, it takes him a few shorts to get revved up.  At least you get the superb Brideless Groom on this Volume, which is probably the highlight of this otherwise depressing set.

Volume 8:  Not sure I'm going to pick this up, to be honest.  The writing was on the wall with Volume 7, and I'm not sure I need a set comprising mostly recycled Shemp footage and and a few contractually obligated shorts where everyone is pretending Joe Besser is an adequate substitute for a Howard brother. 


Great post!  Won't have time to post a proper response until later, but I think it's time we revisit Charley Chase as Stooge director (and folks, if you're at work, you'd be wise NOT to do a google search on "Charley Chase").
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline Seamus

Thanks man.  By the way, Falsealarms, that's a surprisingly low ranking you've got there for Volume 2.  Probably not many people who'd rank that one under Volume 7.  What's your thinking there?


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Great post!

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Offline FineBari3

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Great post!

...I'm off to Google Charley Chase.....

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Offline metaldams

She even SPELLS it the same way!  I was doing an innocent search, and BAM, smut city.

If you do a Harry Langdon search, it appears his son owns a successful photography business.  He looks like his Dad.
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Offline falsealarms

Thanks man.  By the way, Falsealarms, that's a surprisingly low ranking you've got there for Volume 2.  Probably not many people who'd rank that one under Volume 7.  What's your thinking there?

Ultimately, it's personal preference. Just about all of these sets are really good, but depending on your tastes, some will be better than others. Volume 7 has so many strong Shemp efforts and even ones with stock footage, such as Booty and the Beast, and Loose Loot, are really good shorts. The opening house scene in the former and the destructive dressing room scene in the latter are fantastic. If I were to rank Shemp's best years as Stooge, 1952 and 1953 would probably be 2nd and 3rd behind 1950. 1952 has some all-timers like Gents in a Jam and Three Dark Horses. 1953 is weighed down by forgettable entries like Bubble Trouble and Rip, Sew and Stitch but otherwise is chock full of classics like Pardon My Backfire, Spooks, and Tricky Dicks.


Offline metaldams

Ultimately, it's personal preference. Just about all of these sets are really good, but depending on your tastes, some will be better than others. Volume 7 has so many strong Shemp efforts and even ones with stock footage, such as Booty and the Beast, and Loose Loot, are really good shorts. The opening house scene in the former and the destructive dressing room scene in the latter are fantastic. If I were to rank Shemp's best years as Stooge, 1952 and 1953 would probably be 2nd and 3rd behind 1950. 1952 has some all-timers like Gents in a Jam and Three Dark Horses. 1953 is weighed down by forgettable entries like Bubble Trouble and Rip, Sew and Stitch but otherwise is chock full of classics like Pardon My Backfire, Spooks, and Tricky Dicks.

Never cared for the 3D efforts, the gags seem forced for 3D.  I don't think the boys need a novelty to be funny.  I gotta say that the 3D efforts were the last sign of the Columbia shorts department looking towards the future.  After that, it was remake city. 

TRICKY DICKS is a good one, though.
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline falsealarms

Never cared for the 3D efforts, the gags seem forced for 3D.  I don't think the boys need a novelty to be funny.  I gotta say that the 3D efforts were the last sign of the Columbia shorts department looking towards the future.  After that, it was remake city. 

TRICKY DICKS is a good one, though.

Ironically, I have yet to watch those 3D versions but they are just fine regularly. Besides, Spooks has one of the all time best Stooge lines: ""Oh, a Be-bopper! Dig that crazy bopper name, eeb eeb eeb... Cool man, real George! Give me some skin! Give me some skin!" (Shemp).


Offline metaldams

Ironically, I have yet to watch those 3D versions but they are just fine regularly. Besides, Spooks has one of the all time best Stooge lines: ""Oh, a Be-bopper! Dig that crazy bopper name, eeb eeb eeb... Cool man, real George! Give me some skin! Give me some skin!" (Shemp).

Whether I'm watching them 2D or 3D, I still get a feel for what seems like a 3D gag.  Examples would be slow, blatant eye pokes at the camera or water being sprayed on the camera.

I watched HOUSE OF WAX with Vincent Price which is also a 3D movie. While I enjoy the film, there are a few parts where the obvious 3D gimmickery is hokey.  I guess I just don't care for 3D in general.
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline Dunrobin

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I've never really cared for 3D movies either.  Part of it is that I am very nearsighted and I dislike wearing those 3D glasses over my regular glasses, but it's also because, as you pointed out, the 3D effects always seem contrived and hokey.


Offline falsealarms

I've never really cared for 3D movies either.  Part of it is that I am very nearsighted and I dislike wearing those 3D glasses over my regular glasses, but it's also because, as you pointed out, the 3D effects always seem contrived and hokey.

I'd agree the 3D bits seem forced/too deliberate but I guess they don't bother me too much. If we get enough people to rank the sets, we should come up with a composite ranking by averaging all the ranks out.


Offline archiezappa

Interesting, seeing these sets ranked like this.  It's like reviewing a whole group of shorts at once.  Basically, it's reviewing eras of the Stooges, which is something that we really couldn't do very well before these sets came out.  We can now look at each era of the Stooges, instead of each short, individually.  And that's pretty awesome.


Offline Shemp_Diesel

Volume 3: best shorts - In the Sweet Pie and Pie, An Ache in Every Stake, I'll Never Heil Again, Three Smart Saps.  Really, not a bad short in the entire collection.

Volume 6: best shorts - Scrambled Brains, Who Done it?, Malice in the Palace  

Volume 1: best shorts - Disorder in the Court, Pardon My Scotch, Hoi Polloi.  It's really hard narrowing it down to just 3 favorites; much like Vol 3., there's not a bad short in the whole bunch.

Volume 2 best shorts - Grips, Grunts and Groans, Healthy, Wealthy and Dumb, Dizzy Doctors

Volume 7 best shorts - Three Dark Horses, Corny Casanovas, Gents in A Jam, Tricky Dicks (How dare you look like somebody I hate!)  I know this volume gets knocked because it's the beginning of remake city but I rank 1952 as one of Shemp's best years, so the pluses outweigh the minuses of the stock footage recycles.

Volume 4 best shorts - Crash Goes the Hash, Micro-Phonies, Idiots Deluxe

Volume 5 best shorts - Brideless Groom, Heavenly Daze, Hold That Lion

Volume 8 best shorts - Awww, here comes the tricky part, trying to single out the best from 1955-59. There's one standout Shemp short (Blunder Boys) and the rest is rehashes save for Gypped in the Penthouse which I only have vague memories of. As for Besser, I would say Oils Well That Ends Well is the one genuinely good short of the sixteen, a few that are so-so (Fifi Blows Her Top, Quiz Whizz) and the rest that belong on the scrap heap.

And with all that being said, I'll be one of the first nitwits out to buy Volume 8 when it hits the shelves.

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Offline RICO987

This was not easy to do.  And the ranking could change depending on my mood.  But for what it’s worth, here is my 2¢ on the rankings:

1934-1936 (VOL 1) - Best shorts: Three Little Beers, Pain in the Pullman, Disorder in the Court
1940-1942 (VOL 3) - Best shorts: Cactus Makes Perfect Boobs in Arms, How High is Up
1937-1939 (VOL 2) - Best shorts: Three Sappy People, Three Little Sew and Sews, Tassels in the Air
1949-1951 (VOL 6) - Best shorts: Vagabond Loafers, Studio Stoops, Pest Man Wins
1943-1945 (VOL 4) - Best shorts: Dizzy Pilots, Crash Goes the Hash, Micro-Phonies
1952-1954 (VOL 7) - Best shorts: Gents in a Jam, Corny Casanovas, He Cooked his Goose
1946-1948 (VOL 5) - Best shorts: Half-Wits Holiday, Brideless Groom, The Hot Scots
1955-1959 (VOL 8 ) - Best shorts: Blunder Boys, Gypped in the Penthouse, Oil’s Well that Ends Well