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Film & Shorts Discussions => The Three Stooges - Curly Years => Topic started by: metaldams on August 08, 2014, 09:46:04 PM
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http://www.threestooges.net/filmography/episode/68
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0035813/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
It's funny, but once in a while, I just run into a short where I really don't have all that much to say about. This would be one of them.
Overall, it is an enjoyable short. The first three and a half minutes is from PARDON MY SCOTCH, an early example of stock footage, a practice that will appear a lot later on. Hey it's really funny footage, but I've seen it before. I do enjoy the footage shortly after, as Curly and Larry are bouncing Moe around like a pinball with their stomach and knee, respectively. Think about how ludicrous of a concept that is, which makes it funny. Then to have another grown man walk in on seeing these three guys participate in such tomfoolery is priceless.
Another funny bit is when the boys are fighting the gangsters and Curly knocks out Larry. If possible, keep your focus off Curly and check out Larry. The still, glazed expression he manages to hold while Curly does his thing is awesome. With Larry, it's all about the subtle little things, and I never noticed Larry before in this scene until this viewing.
As far as the rest of the short goes, the plot is nothing to write home about, but it gives the boys an excuse to do Stooge like things as cops in a warehouse with a gorilla. The guillotine scene and hat on the foot gag are all classics, and this short to me is just an assortment of fun little moments. Not a classic, but a good short that's fun to watch.
7/10
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I always thought that this short fell into the good category as well. This is not the first time Jules White pirated some footage from an earlier short, but it's probably the most extensive use of old footage.
I like when the detective walks in on the stooges and the boys immediately begin to profess their innocence before Larry and Curly try to throw Moe under the bus. The thing with the nuts Curly was eating; were those walnuts? At any rate, I always wondered what those shells were made out of for Curly to have to put them in his mouth and have to pretend to eat them (maybe he spit them out before he had to actually swallow them)...
Some other highlights were, of course, when Curly thinks he cut off his head and something that happens before that--when the hat falls on Curly's foot and he keeps raising his foot before shooting himself.
Overall, I give it a 7 out of 10....
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Oh, almost forgot to add, this short was remade twice with Joe Besser and his straightman Jim Hawthorne for those of you interested in that sort of thing...
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After THEY STOOGE TO CONGA, few shorts will seem that good. However, this one is still par for the course. This is kind of what is expected for a short. Plenty of funny gags in this one, with my favorite being Curly flopping on the floor and flailing when Moe whistles for him to come over. I'd say it's 7/10. OK, maybe that's above par when adding in all the stinkers from the late-Shemp and Besser years.
The thing with the nuts Curly was eating; were those walnuts? At any rate, I always wondered what those shells were made out of for Curly to have to put them in his mouth and have to pretend to eat them (maybe he spit them out before he had to actually swallow them)...
Yes, those are definitely walnuts. Now what Curly actually ate is up for questioning. Bud got completely abused in his two minutes of screen time. Speaking of that scene, this probably was John Tyrrell's best role in a Stooge short.
Nice short that's an amalgamation of Stooge-ism put together to make one long coherent plot.
Edit: changed rating
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We're ignoring the elephant in the room. Is that a fart or not? I say yes.
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We're ignoring the elephant in the room. Is that a fart or not? I say yes.
I've heard about this before, but never actually heard it before. Where is the fart in DIZZY DETECTIVES located?
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Towards the end, during the fight. Curly runs up to Larry and the thug. You have to turn up the sound, but not much...it's pretty much right there, high-pitched, kind of a two-cheek squeak. I'm not much into fart humor, but I must admit that, by golly, there it is. It's impossible, however, to determine who the culprit is.
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Towards the end, during the fight. Curly runs up to Larry and the thug. You have to turn up the sound, but not much...it's pretty much right there, high-pitched, kind of a two-cheek squeak. I'm not much into fart humor, but I must admit that, by golly, there it is. It's impossible, however, to determine who the culprit is.
Could have been a shoe... I hope...
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OK, I watched the part, I heard the noise. The romantic in me would like to think it's a fart, but I'm going to have to go with the Paul Payne shoe theory. My reasoning is it's a noisy scene to begin with, so the idea of a shoe squeak standing out amongst all the noise sounds much more believable than a fart. But hey, I could be wrong.
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This could be the fart noise that shook up the world; not quite, but I'm getting a kick out of this discussion regardless. :D
"There's something rotten in Denmark."
"Oh boy, we're going to Denmark."
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I like the short but it's not in my favorites list. I can't believe a bunch of grown men are turning up speaker volume and listening for fart noises. (me included). But then again why not? We're Stooge fans. I hear it and don't think it's a fart. Curly still seems to be in top form. Fart or no fart I still rate it a 7 1/2.
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Hee hee hee!! While chuckling and shaking my head at it.. Sounds legit doesn't it?
Curly approaching the camera trails off with an L-cut-- his audio continues while the picture cuts to the next shot. I think the noise was him blowing a kinda raspberry right at the camera at the very last second before the call of "Cut!".
But the wayyyy it's cut? It sounds like..
Hee hee heeeee!!! :laugh:
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I wonder if there are any shorts in the future that have strange noises in them--none that I can think of off the top of my head...
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As a cat owner, I love how every time Curly steps/rocks on the cats tail, he thinks a woman is screaming.
This could be the fart noise that shook up the world; not quite, but I'm getting a kick out of this discussion regardless. :D
"There's something rotten in Denmark."
"Oh boy, were going to Denmark."
OK, I do love that line. Though I think Moe telling Curly he's "all wet" is better.
Besides, farts aren't squeaky like that. When they are, their usually only audible to the farter and maybe someone two feet away. This is a disgusting conversation.
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First of all it is a fart.... At least in my opinion.
I like this short, a lot. It has stooge stuff in it.
Great one-liners. "I'll lead the way go ahead".... "Don't be scared just run" ... "That woman is a dummy like you" ... "Remember my big toe? " snaps his fingers...
Curly was great so many times.... The walnuts; the cat; the guillotine; shooting his foot, he fight.
I give it a 9.
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Where is Vernon in this short? Aren't you thinking of Bud Jamison?
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Where is Vernon in this short? Aren't you thinking of Bud Jamison?
Yes, I have edited my post accordingly.
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So it's been 831 days. Sue me.
Fortunately, 'FRAIDY CAT has no fart debates.
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Despite the first few minutes being recycled footage from "Pardon My Scotch" (which was never one of my favorites) I've always liked this short a lot and I'm glad I've seen this Stooge short before I've seen "Pardon My Scotch", I have fond memories of watching this short, my favorite scenes was when Mr. Dill was going off on the Police Chief, Curly's head getting stuck in a guillotine along with Moe & Larry's reactions to thinking Curly's head was cut off! The Stooges fighting the bad guys, the ending scene where the boys capture the gorilla, Curly sitting on a rocking chair and the cat screaming when the chair lands on its tail! I do have a soft spot for this episode and I give it a 9/10.
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This one is interesting because of the stock footage being reused. I understand they did it with "Beer Barrel Polecats" to help give Curly some resting period for his health. And then it becomes a major practice with the Shemp episodes due to budget cuts. But what's the reason here? It does not fit into the storyline in any way, shape or form. The stooges do construction work (all of which is stock footage) and then the new footage comes in, then the stooges join the police force. What's up with that? At least when they were reusing stock footage later on, at least they found some way to make it fit into the storyline. Here, it doesn't. It's almost as if they filmed the short and didn't fulfill their 18 minute quota, so they decided to add some random stock footage just to help the short reach its desired length time. Just my guess.
But enough with the over-analyzing of things and let me get onto my review. This episode is very good and I always liked this one. Curly does a great job with being a cowardly cop and he always cracked me up with his bit where he is rocking on the rocking chair. And I always enjoyed the scene with him cracking the walnuts. Hard to believe Curly starts declining in health a few years afterwards because he gives a hell of a performance here.
Not a perfect short (mainly due to the unnecessary use of stock footage), but a very good one.
9/10
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This one is interesting because of the stock footage being reused. I understand they did it with "Beer Barrel Polecats" to help give Curly some resting period for his health.
Per the BEER BARREL POLECATS episode page (http://www.threestooges.net/filmography/episode/88):
The frequently told story of Curly's declining health causing a shortened production schedule and insertion of stock footage is untrue. A week prior to April 1945 production, comedian Harold Lloyd sued Universal Studios and Clyde Bruckman for use of his copyrighted material in one of their features. Lloyd also made it known to Columbia that he planned to file suit against them (and Bruckman) at a later date for use of his material in the Stooges' LOCO BOY MAKES GOOD (1942). Gilbert Pratt's original script for BEER BARREL POLECATS (1946) reworked scenes from Laurel & Hardy's PARDON US (1931), including a virtual word-for-word copy of the prison classroom scene. In reaction to Mr. Lloyd's lawsuit, the POLECATS script (and other shorts department scripts in pre-production) was overhauled at the last-minute. POLECATS deleted the scenes that copied from PARDON US, and stock footage from earlier Stooges comedies featuring prison-themed scenes was inserted.
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Best Line of the short "I don't want to be dead, there is no future in it!".
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Was the dated "Pardon My Scotch" stock footage really necessary? "Dizzy Detectives" would have worked much better without the padding. Nevertheless, it's a fun short with Curly in top form.
8/10
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I watched this one this past summer with my nephew and enjoyed it much more than my initial review let on. I think when I was reviewing these Stooge shorts fatigue was setting in on some weeks. Agree that the PARDON MY SCOTCH footage was not necessary.
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In re: The legitimately asked question Are there any other "odd" noises in any other classic comedies:
Go to the L & H section of this site, to Perfect Day. In the early going, while they're re-packing the sandwiches, Stan slides down against the wall and lets out a blast that dwarfs Curly's in Dizzy Detectives. I repeat, I am not particularly a fan of fart humor, but damn, this is a big'un. Sorry, I'll show myself out.
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In re: The legitimately asked question Are there any other "odd" noises in any other classic comedies:
Go to the L & H section of this site, to Perfect Day. In the early going, while they're re-packing the sandwiches, Stan slides down against the wall and lets out a blast that dwarfs Curly's in Dizzy Detectives. I repeat, I am not particularly a fan of fart humor, but damn, this is a big'un. Sorry, I'll show myself out.
That was Stan’s way of ringing in the sound era.
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That one's undeniable.
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In re: The legitimately asked question Are there any other "odd" noises in any other classic comedies:
Go to the L & H section of this site, to Perfect Day. In the early going, while they're re-packing the sandwiches, Stan slides down against the wall and lets out a blast that dwarfs Curly's in Dizzy Detectives. I repeat, I am not particularly a fan of fart humor, but damn, this is a big'un. Sorry, I'll show myself out.
I have never heard of someone letting a fart out as a result of such things [pie]
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Any kind of quick, violent activity can have that result. Ask any gymnast. I will never bring this up again, I promise.
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I know sometimes I can laugh so hard that I may actually puke, but farts are rare. Over and out... :P
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For the last few days as a fun exercise, I've been viewing the Stooges shorts not included in the upcoming Blu-ray set. Unlike all of the ones that precede DIZZY DETECTIVES (1943), I'm loathe to see any content that would prompt Sony to omit this particular short from the new set, other than maybe the use of the PARDON MY SCOTCH (1935) stock footage?
I did also notice when Curly sits in the Rocking Chair at about the 8 minute mark, he seems to briefly talk in a more normal lower pitched voice. It's just an observation, and he certainly doesn't appear remotely ill in this short.
Also regarding a previous comment about the stock footage perhaps being used to lengthen the film to over 18 minutes (18:40 including the 3 1/2 minute stock footage), the previous short THEY STOOGE TO CONGA (1943) wasn't much over 15 minutes (15:41, to be precise) either, so I'm not sure that was the reason behind the stock footage insertion.
CHEERS! [3stooges]
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I think it took cullions for them to use stock footage of the boys 8 years younger! But I have to admit, when I first saw this short years ago as a kid, I hadn't seen PARDON MY SCOTCH yet, so I didn't notice. What I did notice was that these beginning scenes were funnier than the rest of the short!
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The same can be said about "Dizzy Pilots". Stock footage flopped at the end of the short to lengthen it, I suppose?
That said, I really love both "Dizzy Detective" and "Dizzy Pilots." Both could've done without the stock footage, but I didn't find them as excessive as the Shemp shorts.
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The same can be said about "Dizzy Pilots". Stock footage flopped at the end of the short to lengthen it, I suppose?
That said, I really love both "Dizzy Detective" and "Dizzy Pilots." Both could've done without the stock footage, but I didn't find them as excessive as the Shemp shorts.
Most of the post 1953 Shemps (With the notable exceptions INCOME TAX SAPPY and BLUNDER BOYS) are so excessive with stock footage, they could hardly be called "new" shorts, with often over half their running times consisting of recycled footage! [pie]
Insofar as "Dizzy Pilots" the running time without the stock footage would run a bit shy of 14 minutes, so it definitely needed a bit of extra time. At least the recycled army themed footage can be somewhat justified with the premise the Stooges would be drafted if their invention failed.
CHEERS! [3stooges]
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Before the TV Screen Gems deal in the late 50s, were any shorts re-releasedin theatres?
If not, in 1943 I doubt anyone noticed re-used footage from a short that they might have seen once 8 years earlier.
That being said, I'm not so sure how successful they were pulling the wool over the eyes of viewers in the 50s with re-used Shemp footage.
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Before the TV Screen Gems deal in the late 50s, were any shorts re-releasedin theatres?
If not, in 1943 I doubt anyone noticed re-used footage from a short that they might have seen once 8 years earlier.
That being said, I'm not so sure how successful they were pulling the wool over the eyes of viewers in the 50s with re-used Shemp footage.
It is one thing to average one or two reused 3 minute scenes every few years, but quite another to reuse one or more scenes in virtually every "new" short, as was the case in 3 Stooges shorts released after 1953. Moreover, I think there were instances in which the reused scene had been originally shot not many years earlier, making it somewhat more likely for them to be remembered by Theater audiences.
CHEERS! [3stooges]
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It is one thing to average one or two reused 3 minute scenes every few years, but quite another to reuse one or more scenes in virtually every "new" short, as was the case in 3 Stooges shorts released after 1953. Moreover, I think there were instances in which the reused scene had been originally shot not many years earlier, making it somewhat more likely for them to be remembered by Theater audiences.
CHEERS! [3stooges]
Not having lived back then, I'm not sure how one would go about making sure you catch every new Stooges short at the theaters, given that you had to buy a ticket to see an "A" feature, a "B" feature, and at least one short. Did one of the features need to be produced by Columbia in order to see a Stooges short? I have no idea how it worked.
I'm still trying to figure out why Columbia released HOT STUFF and CREEPS on Super 8 sound back in the 70s rather than releasing the originals!
Anyway, Columbia was cheap back then. I've read that they constantly tried to pull the wool over Moe's eyes at every contract renewal, telling him shorts were on the way out. I'm guessing it was hard for even someone like Moe to find out just how much the Stooges shorts were making at the box office, but I've heard that "B" pictures and shorts were usually rented to theaters at fixed rates, so whether one person saw it or a million didn't matter at the end of the day.
So if Columbia could save a few dimes and nickels by re-using old footage, they did. More money in Harry Cohn's pocket.
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In an interview with David N. Bruskin in Behind the Three Stooges, Jules White said that exhibitors routinely mixed and matched shorts, newsreels and cartoons from other studios. By the 1950’s, Columbia was renting shorts for a relative pittance, so no one was getting rich off them.
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In an interview with David N. Bruskin in Behind the Three Stooges, Jules White said that exhibitors routinely mixed and matched shorts, newsreels and cartoons from other studios. By the 1950’s, Columbia was renting shorts for a relative pittance, so no one was getting rich off them.
And neither the Stooges nor their heirs got/get a dime from the profits of the shorts after their contract with Columbia ended, right? I know they get something when their likeness is used for something new, though.
I'm sure Sony is getting rich off them now -- what an investment that started in the 30s turned out to be for those 190 shorts!