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Film & Shorts Discussions => The Three Stooges - Curly Years => Topic started by: metaldams on June 29, 2013, 07:47:39 AM
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Another short, another masterpiece, ho hum. I'm not always going to be giving out praise like an overly enthusiastic fan boy, but the fact is in a 190 short run, The Three Stooges had these mini streaks of genius, and we are in the midst of the first streak. For years, I have always considered Hoi Polloi in my top three favorite Stooge shorts, praise Del Lord, alleluia, and my latest viewing has not changed my opinion one bit.
So why does Hoi Polloi work? Focus, my friends, they are focused. From the first frame to the last, the entire short is based on the premise of the low class Stooges dealing with high society, a theme that mixes as well as peanut butter and jelly. The entire short focuses on this classic premise, and every gag and scene flows perfectly into each other. It's really that simple.
Lots of fun little characters as well. Harry Holman (later in It's A Wonderful Life), was absolutely fantastic as Professor Richmond, and it's a shame he wasn't in more shorts. "Get it right, GET IT RIGHT!" Our lovely and tragic friend Geneva Mitchell was great as the dance instructor, and Phyllis Crane was wonderful in her psychic scene as well....reminds me of a crazy girl my friend just dated. Kitty McHugh is also wonderful as the nerdy friend of Curly. "Go cut yourself a slice of throat." She wouldn't return to Stooge shorts until years later in some early 50's Shemp classics.
The etiquette scene is classic, the spring on Curly's ass while dancing with that larger woman is classic, Moe's dancing style with Phyllis Crane is classic, professor Nichol's lovely daughters are classic as is Larry's line, "Hey brother, can you spare a Nichol?" and my ability to use the word classic is classic. Folks, if you don't like this short, why are you here? Prime Stooges.
I would like to add fairly recently I saw the fun 80's comedy TRADING PLACES with Dan Akroyd, Eddie Murphy, and Jamie Lee Curtis, and thematically, the idea of heredity vs environment of Hoi Polloi is ever present.
10/10
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HOI POLLOI is one of my all-time favorite shorts. The "Heredity vs. Environment" theme, everyone at the party slapping each other and doing other Stooge gags, the rubbish landing on everyone, and Professor Richmond trying to teach the boys table manners.
A great line is Curly's trying to spell cat: "Cat. K-I-T-T-Y. Pussy."
Harry Holman looked like a short version of Sergeant Schultz of "Hogan's Heroes."
The only thing out of sorts is when Professor Nichols says to Professor Richmond, "I'll call a cab," yet later on, Professor Richmond says to the Stooges, "That's my car, climb into it." So for that, I'll give the show 9.99 out of 10.
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Don't know if I can add much to the discussion, metal just about covered it. Classic stooges & probably one of the first shorts I would go to to show the uninitiated what the stooges are all about. Del Lord's hot streak continues & the thing is, the streak would not be broken when Jack White a.k.a. Preston Black began directing, so metal, you may have more praise to lavish on the stooges in the coming weeks.
10 out of 10. (It's not the dipping, it's the counting that's got me.)
And, I almost forgot, Where's your dignity?!
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Never made the connection that the dance instructor was Geneva Mitchell. You learn so much around here. That's kind of a foretaste of another, even more surprising, bit of acting range coming up soon, isn't it? I'm being mysterious on purpose, though most of you are so knowledgeable you probably already know what I'm talking about.
Phyllis Crane continues to be wonderful.
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Yes, "Where's your dignity?!?"
I love this short. It is definitely one of my favorites. Metal has it down - the Stooges were focused.
This short had a lot going for it.
There were outside locations around LA.
The supporting cast was mentioned, i.e. the tragic Geneva Mitchell. Also, Kittie McHugh committed suicide in the 50's.
I love Curly's windmill when Moe tells him to stick out his hand.
'Do exactly as I do' - great skit.
Talking about the outside locations - there are a few shots of the 'Hollywood' sign in the beginning when they were on the street. It was the 'HollywoodLand' sign back then.
I have attached a screenshot below (hopefully I have. This will be my first time with picture attachments) see behind Curly's head.
Also, thanks to Jim Pauley's book, I visited the fountain the dancer and the boys fell into during their dance lesson.
It is now a planter but still exists, has the same shape and the statue still exists (Statue is for Rudolph Valentino). If you are in LA you have to check it out.
I give this a ton, not necessarily because of the hilarity of the short but the overall enjoyment of watching it. Very entertaining. Great point by Shemp_Diesel - the short to show to the uninitiated.
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I have a couple of puzzles:
(1) A moment of this short that lingers in my recollection as particularly odd occurs near the end. As civilization breaks down among the party guests into Stooge-like violence, the Stooges, led by Larry, enter the frame from the left holding top hats and canes before they stop and turn to regard the spectacle. The odd thing about the shot is that they walk bent forward and with exaggerated swinging of their arms. I find it amusing just for its oddity, but I suspect that there is a visual reference here that I am missing, perhaps to the routine of some other movie comic. Does anyone know?
(2) When Professor "Environment" has the Stooges miming their way through dinner, Moe, affecting a refined manner of speech, says to Curly next to him, "By the bye, how is the countess?" As Curly continues to eat and does not answer, Moe adds after a moment, "I said, how is the countess?" At this, the Professor bursts out impatiently: "No, no! Get it right! Get it right!" He seems to be addressing this to Moe (Moe certainly takes it that way when he says in reply: "How can I get it right when he won't answer me?"); but why? I can't see what Moe is doing wrong at this point. The Professor's outburst would have made sense as a response to Moe's mimed noisy eating of corn on the cob and wiping his mouth on his sleeve just before he spoke to Curly, but that takes place a good ten seconds earlier. What is going on here?
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An easy classic.
There's a lot to like about this short, including the precious location shooting.
Curly has great lines when he says "oh, I found a big one!" and later has another great line when he says "oh, a mascaszino cherry!" Can't forget his "K-I-T-T-Y, pussy" line, either.
Curly's scene with Kitty McHugh when he starts to shave is always memorable.
Phyllis Crane shines as always and her scene with Moe on the couch has its share of sexual tension.
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I don't know how viewings it took me to figure out that what Phyllis Crane says to Moe on the sofa is "You must believe in the hypothesis of the occult power"--because she pronounces "occult" with the stress on the first syllable!
In spite of her playing a devotee of mumbo-jumbo beliefs, I think it is her appearance in this short that maintains my crush on her--mainly on the strength of the look on her face when she says to Moe, "What happened?", immediately after they take a spill on the dance floor.
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I don't know how viewings it took me to figure out that what Phyllis Crane says to Moe on the sofa is "You must believe in the hypothesis of the occult power"--because she pronounces "occult" with the stress on the first syllable!
In spite of her playing a devotee of mumbo-jumbo beliefs, I think it is her appearance in this short that maintains my crush on her--mainly on the strength of the look on her face when she says to Moe, "What happened?", immediately after they take a spill on the dance floor.
I never knew she said "occult." I actually had no clue what she said, so thanks for clearing that up.
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I don't know how viewings it took me to figure out that what Phyllis Crane says to Moe on the sofa is "You must believe in the hypothesis of the occult power"--because she pronounces "occult" with the stress on the first syllable!
Perhaps it was a Canadian accent thing, as she was from Calgary, Alberta, Canada. She came to Hollywood in 1926 so if she had an accent we may still be able to hear it in 1935 films.
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My guess is it was written to be gibberish and she may never have even heard the word occult before. ( I mean, there is no Hypothesis of Occult Power, is there? ) Moe is obviously at sea, trying to humor some daffy dame. She may also have been putting her own spin on the line, making it even more esoteric.
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I love this short, especially the spring on Curly's butt and the...fly, is it? That comes into the room and distracts her and causes the Stooges to emulate her movements? Anyway, great short.
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I love this short, especially...the...fly, is it? That comes into the room and distracts her and causes the Stooges to emulate her movements? Anyway, great short.
I always assumed it was a bee - that's why she reacted the way she did.
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This is very high on my list of favorites. Good things are bound to happen when you mix the Stooges with high society. I enjoy watching the bad stunt doubles in the bee dance and window jump scenes. They're really bad. I also like the scene when Moe beats up Curly to get his jacket and then Curly beats up the little guy to take his jacket. The spring on the ass dancing scenes are great and so are the ending scenes. I rate this one a 9 1/2.
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The odd thing about the shot is that they walk bent forward and with exaggerated swinging of their arms. I find it amusing just for its oddity, but I suspect that there is a visual reference here that I am missing, perhaps to the routine of some other movie comic. Does anyone know?
I always wondered about that too. I think Groucho Marx used a gait similiar to that but I don't get the connection.
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Phyllis Crane...I think it is her appearance in this short that maintains my crush on her--mainly on the strength of the look on her face when she says to Moe, "What happened?", immediately after they take a spill on the dance floor.
No wonder she looked dazed when she said "What happened?" in that scene. If you watch closely, when she and Moe fell, she really conked her head hard on the floor. It's surprising she was able to get back up!
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HOI POLLOI has always been a favorite of mine, for many of the reasons already mentioned (with Phyllis Crane's appearance being a big part of it).
But also because it has more music than most Stooges shorts.
Here's a listing of the tunes used, for any other music fans who'd like to know what we're hearing in the film:
First scene: "Smooth Rhythm" written by Louis Silvers in 1934 and used by Columbia in about 15 other films through 1937. This is just a short part of the longer piece.
As The Stooges arrive at the party: "Jealousy" (also known as "Jalousie") written by Louis Silvers and Howard Jackson in 1934 and used by Columbia in at least ten other films through 1936, including the Stooges short SLIPPERY SILKS.
While Larry is dancing and loses his shoe, and Moe is dancing with Phyllis Crane: "I'll Live in My Dreams" written by Victor Schertzinger and introduced just a few months earlier in 1935 in the Columbia musical feature LET'S LIVE TONIGHT. In that movie the song has lyrics (by Jack Scholl) and it is sung by Tullio Carminati.
Starting with the scene of Moe and Phyllis Crane on the couch and continuing through Curly dancing with the spring attached: "Oh Gee Oh Gosh" written by Louis Silvers earlier in 1935 and used by Columbia in at least seven other films through 1936.
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A true Stooge classic.
The Stooges are subjects of an experiment to see whether environment or heredity is more important in forming gentlemen.
They're taught table manners, proper reading, and given dancing lessons. During the society party, the Stooges really go wild - everything that can go wrong does.
Favorite moments:
The entire garbage truck emptying into Professor Rich's car
K-I-T-T-Y...Pussy
The classic dance lesson
Larry looking for his shoe on the dance floor
Curly with the spring on his butt (cracks me up EVERY time!)
'My Dear fellows, THIS is our punishment for associating with the hoi polloi."
One of my favorites.
Rating: 10/10
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No replies yet to my two questions (#5 above (http://threestooges.net/forums/index.php/topic,5080.msg41657.html#msg41657)), but, in connection with my first question, I watched Groucho Marx doing his bent-forward walk in Monkey Business to see if it was a plausible model for Larry's gait in the shot that I mentioned: I don't think it is, since Groucho always moves very quickly when he is doing that walk, while Larry and the Stooges march forward slowly and effortfully.
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I watched Groucho Marx doing his bent-forward walk in Monkey Business to see if it was a plausible model for Larry's gait in the shot that I mentioned: I don't think it is, since Groucho always moves very quickly when he is doing that walk, while Larry and the Stooges march forward slowly and effortfully.
Like I said, it was similar. Maybe it was an orignal move and not copied from anyone? It could be they were tring to sneak out of the house unnoticed, walking softly. :-\
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(2) When Professor "Environment" has the Stooges miming their way through dinner, Moe, affecting a refined manner of speech, says to Curly next to him, "By the bye, how is the countess?" As Curly continues to eat and does not answer, Moe adds after a moment, "I said, how is the countess?" At this, the Professor bursts out impatiently: "No, no! Get it right! Get it right!" He seems to be addressing this to Moe (Moe certainly takes it that way when he says in reply: "How can I get it right when he won't answer me?"); but why? I can't see what Moe is doing wrong at this point. The Professor's outburst would have made sense as a response to Moe's mimed noisy eating of corn on the cob and wiping his mouth on his sleeve just before he spoke to Curly, but that takes place a good ten seconds earlier. What is going on here?
I just think he is upset at Curly's lack of response, and Moe, out of insecurity, perhaps, just responds like he is the culprit. I never thought he was addressing Moe, per se, just the situation in general.
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Thanks for the replies, Jazzbill and Metaldams.
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I always thought Larry's line, when introduced to Prof. Nichols two daughters, was sadly unappreciated..
"Brother, can you spare a Nichol (nickel)"....
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I always thought Larry's line, when introduced to Prof. Nichols two daughters, was sadly unappreciated..
"Brother, can you spare a Nichol (nickel)"....
Agree 100 percent.
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Agree 100 percent.
Agree 100 percent.
Make that 1,000 percent !!
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Finishing up my Bowery Boys volume 2 DVD, and I just watched HOLD THAT LINE, which is from 1952. A very funny film, and the premise is two Ivy League professors betting that they can take anybody off the street and make them succeed in an Ivy League environment while the other professor thinks you need the proper upbringing to succeed. Of course, they use the Bowery Boys as guinea pigs. The idea is not quite as developed as HOI POLLOI as other plot elements take place outside of the bet, but a fun film just the same.
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This episode is pretty good. I especially like the part where the stooges take dancing lessons. I remember the first time I watched that and I ended up laughing so hard, I couldn't breathe. Curly starts using his high pitched voice here. The whole bit where Curly hides the champagne bottle and the silverware is another hilarious part. The stooges' chemistry hasn't fully developed at this point and I think that's the only thing that weakened the episode, but overall, this is a great episode. It's definitely better than HALF WITS HOLIDAY. I just wish the episode ended in some sort of pie fight. I did remember reading somewhere about an actress that choked on a creampuff during filming of this episode. So I guess a creampuff fight was planned, but because of this incident, it was shelved. I could be wrong tho....
9/10
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I did remember reading somewhere about an actress that choked on a creampuff during filming of this episode. So I guess a creampuff fight was planned, but because of this incident, it was shelved. I could be wrong tho....
No, that's another victim of Moe's memory. There was no pastry fight scripted or planned for HOI POLLOI.
The story Moe tells in his book is actually about THREE SAPPY PEOPLE (1939), he got the name of the actress wrong (confusing middle-aged Grace Goodall with 22-year-old Adrian "Lorna Gray" Booth), and he exaggerated her distress.
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Unfortunately, HOI POLLOI and IN THE SWEET PIE AND PIE are both excellent shorts. However, in they could be incredible in the good scenes from one were combined with the good scenes from the other to make IN THE SWEET HOI AND POLLOI.
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Unfortunately, HOI POLLOI and IN THE SWEET PIE AND PIE are both excellent shorts. However, in they could be incredible in the good scenes from one were combined with the good scenes from the other to make IN THE SWEET HOI AND POLLOI.
You know, that's an interesting idea! HOI POLLOI is already a favorite of mine, but it actually would improve towards the end with that pie fight.
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Did Bud ever speak in this short?
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Did Bud ever speak in this short?
His primary scene as 'James the butler,' attempting to give the Stooges a bath, was deleted. Apparently filmed but not included in the final release print; yet, a production still from that scene exists.
The scene was transcribed (from Jules White's script) in The Three Stooges Journal # 127 (Fall 2008) (http://threestooges.net/journal/view/127). The aforementioned still also appears in this issue.
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I've been trying to figure out how they pulled off the spring trick for ever, and still have yet to spot the wires that MUST be the answer. Going to You Tube to give it another try I came across this Hoi Polloi review by two young Jersey (or Philly) guys that rate on a 4 scale. It was nice to see this generation carrying on, keeping the Stooge faith.
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A great line is Curly's trying to spell cat: "Cat. K-I-T-T-Y. Pussy."
The look on Curly's face convinces me he is doing it wrong on purpose.
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This is my #1 all time favorite stooge short, this short has one great scene after another and many of them contain lots of big laughs, plus each stooge and the supporting cast gives a great performance, plus Moe delivers lots of punishment left and right, I also loved Harry Holman's performance as Mr. Richmond (I wish he'd gotten to appear in a lot of stooge shorts), if you're introducing someone to the Three Stooges I would recommend checking out this short.
I give this short a perfect 10/10 although I wish I can give it a 100/10.
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"Hoi Polloi" is one of the all-time greats — miles ahead of the well-intentioned but uneven 1947 remake. Plenty of classic moments and some rare underscoring for a Del Lord short. Not in my Top 10, but definitely in my Top 15.
10/10
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The first and best version of Let's Turn the Stooges into Gentlemen shorts (unless you count IN THE SWEET PIE AND PIE), featuring one of the funniest scenes the Stooges ever did--the dance lesson! It's also the only version I'll look at. I never want to see the Besser travesty again, and I DO NOT watch the post-stroke Curlies. For me, the last Curly short is IDIOTS DELUXE.
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Watching this, which I do fairly often, is always a joy.
So many memorable bits, but my current favorite begins with the menacing look Bud gives Curly, immediately followed by the breathy/confusing 'hi-ho' from Kitty, and ends with one simple musical note as Curly is shaving. That has always been one of my favorite sound effects.
For non guitar players, next time you come in contact with an acoustic, pluck the thickest string (on top). You will laugh, and no one else will understand why low E is so hilarious.
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Here's my new quick preview then and now video of some of the filming locations used in The Three Stooges movie "Hoi Polloi." 1935 vs today. Thank you @Jim Pauley and your wonderful book The Three Stooges Hollywood Filming Locations. My full then and now filming locations video documentary on this movie - and several other Three Stooges shorts - is now up on my website: https://ChrisBungoStudios.com (https://ChrisBungoStudios.com)
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Here's my new quick preview then and now video of some of the filming locations used in The Three Stooges movie "Hoi Polloi." 1935 vs today. Thank you @Jim Pauley and your wonderful book The Three Stooges Hollywood Filming Locations. My full then and now filming locations video documentary on this movie - and several other Three Stooges shorts - is now up on my website: https://ChrisBungoStudios.com (https://ChrisBungoStudios.com)
Good thing they don’t have to dive into that fountain nowadays!
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Good thing they don’t have to dive into that fountain nowadays!
Yeah! Though would be nice if it was still a fountain, but I guess it costs too much to keep it maintained.