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General Boards => Nitpicker's Corner => Topic started by: Giff me dat fill-em! on March 03, 2006, 12:26:03 AM
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This nitpick topic is obvious ... MOST of the time, a cover song SUCKS!
(Just read some of Shemps#1 "Music that Sucks" selections and you'll see what I mean)
I'll begin with one of the mother-of-all rock tunes, I Can't Get No Satisfaction first recorded by The Rolling Stones. With its relentless, driving guitar riffs and unconventional lyrics, this tune soon won a spot in the charts and stayed there for some time. But it wasn't long until the cover-song-apes pounced upon this tune. The Troggs did a much softer version soon after the release of the original. Thereafter, a plethora of singers and groups have had their hand at a version of this tune, from Otis Redding to Aretha Franklin, and even Britany Spears! The only version I enjoy listening to besides the original is the version done by Devo, only because they did not try to make it latin flavored, or a softer version, etc ... but simply re-performed it in a similar quirky, unconventional way that the original had.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/soldonsong/songlibrary/covers/satisfaction.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/soldonsong/songlibrary/covers/satisfaction.shtml)
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I always enjoy punk covers of tunes! If you are looking for strange music, go on your favorite music site and search 'punk covers'. You'll find punk versions ranging from Slim Whitman to the Monkees!
My favorite cover of all time is the heavy metal band WASP's version of 'The Real Me' from the Who. I am a HUGE Who fan, and the version is very true to the original....even down to Entwistle's bass lines, but it is certainly a heavy metal version.
All-time worst cover? "I Saw Him Standing There" by Tiffany or some other late 80s piece of crap girl singer. I remember a friend taking that tape out of the radio in his sisters car when we were driving down the road. He wrapped it around his hand and threw it out the window, leaving a trail of tape for miles.
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I admit to never having been much of an Aerosmith fan anyway, but didn't they do a cover of the Beatles' "Come Together" a few years back. In my opinion, it was truly awful, especially Tyler's "singing". (I apologize in advance if I have offended any Aerosmith devotees)
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Okay, you guys are asking for this... keep in mind, I didn't start the topic. But I just might finish it.
>:D
"We're not trying to be perfect, right, man?" —Wild Man Fischer
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I admit to never having been much of an Aerosmith fan anyway, but didn't they do a cover of the Beatles' "Come Together" a few years back. In my opinion, it was truly awful, especially Tyler's "singing". (I apologize in advance if I have offended any Aerosmith devotees)
They dont even play the Beatle's version on the two stations I listen to in Pittsburgh!!! They always play the crappy Aerosmith version!
How about Johnny Cash singing NIN's 'Hurt'???? I thought it was a joke at first!
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Okay, you guys are asking for this... keep in mind, I didn't start the topic. But I just might finish it.
Evil
"We're not trying to be perfect, right, man?" —Wild Man Fischer
I doubt if you'll finish it, Pils ...
check out THIS trash!
http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/Shatnersings.htm (http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/Shatnersings.htm)
Sorry, I didn't take time to see that you had included Bill's woeful rendition of Mr. Tamborine Man in your attachments ... but it does reinforce the fact that as long as there are microphones and idiots ready to use them, we'll have plenty of musical gunk to rail against.
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As a rule the cover is not as good as the original. But I always thought Joe Cocker made some good covers of some Beatle's songs. Maybe not ''as'' good but enjoyable. And then again, I always thought John Belushi did a good cover of Joe Cocker, so what do I know ?
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I doubt if you'll finish it, Pils ...
check out THIS trash!
http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/Shatnersings.htm (http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/Shatnersings.htm)
Sorry, I didn't take time to see that you had included Bill's woeful rendition of Mr. Tamborine Man in your attachments ... but it does reinforce the fact that as long as there are microphones and idiots ready to use them, we'll have plenty of musical gunk to rail against.
The only intentionally bad song in that bunch I posted is Mel Blanc's takeoff on super-ham Al Jolson. Otherwise... well...
I used to have the Wild Man Fischer LP, but I sold it (now I'm sorry I did). It's just the thing to play when guests have stayed too late and you want them to go home. Fischer was a demented homeless guy who used to wander around Hollywood, "singing" for spare change. Frank Zappa uh, "discovered" him, brought him into a studio, and recorded an album, which he then released on his Bizarre/Straight record label.
Zappa built a whole, elaborate routine around trying to turn Fischer into "the next teen heart throb." This was a man who, according to people who knew him, never took a bath.
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Ya gotta remember ... Zappa is the guy who recorded "Don't Eat the Yellow Snow" and "Nanook Rubs It" fer corn's sake, and named his kids Moon Pie and Snickers (or something like that).
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Ya gotta remember ... Zappa is the guy who recorded "Don't Eat the Yellow Snow" and "Nanook Rubs It" fer corn's sake, and named his kids Moon Pie and Snickers (or something like that).
Moon Unit, Ahmed, and Dweezil, to be exact. "Moon" is actually a pretty name for a girl (my ex's name is Starr, so why not?). But the boys must have gotten a terrible ribbing in school!
Zappa was one of the great eccentric geniuses of all time... [thumbsup]
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Okay, here's one that nobody can top, for sheer awfulness. I honestly can't decide whether it's horrible accidentally or on purpose... ol' Pat does have an excellent big band behind him (which sounds kind of like Count Basie's).
But, but... what's the word I need here? Incongruous?
It seems to come from an alternate universe where Led Zeppelin was a Vegas lounge act... go figure.
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I always enjoy punk covers of tunes! If you are looking for strange music, go on your favorite music site and search 'punk covers'. You'll find punk versions ranging from Slim Whitman to the Monkees!
My favorite cover of all time is the heavy metal band WASP's version of 'The Real Me' from the Who. I am a HUGE Who fan, and the version is very true to the original....even down to Entwistle's bass lines, but it is certainly a heavy metal version.
All-time worst cover? "I Saw Him Standing There" by Tiffany or some other late 80s piece of crap girl singer. I remember a friend taking that tape out of the radio in his sisters car when we were driving down the road. He wrapped it around his hand and threw it out the window, leaving a trail of tape for miles.
You must have heard of Me First And The Gimme Gimmes. They are a Punk "supergroup" who do only covers. Their cover of Don Henley's "Boys Of Summer" was on the radio for a little while. I love the line:"Out on the road today-I saw a BLACK FLAG sticker on a Cadillac"! Also, The Revolting Cocks (Ministry with Chris Connolly singing) recorded a version of Rod Stewart's "Do You Think I'm Sexy". Best Punk cover? I think that would be Government Issue's version of Nancy Sinatra's "Boots"! Worst Punk cover? The Offspring's version of The Damned's "Smash It Up"!
"How low can a Punk get?!" Bad Brains-'Rock For Light'
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I think the worst cover of a song goes to William Shatner, doing " Lucy in the Sky ". I could never figure out if he was serious or goofing around. (I now believe he was serious)
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I think the worst cover of a song goes to William Shatner, doing " Lucy in the Sky ". I could never figure out if he was serious or goofing around. (I now believe he was serious)
That whole album was unreal. My choice for worst cover (non-punk) would be The Fugees' cover of "Killing Me Softly"! It actually outsold the original, for some godawful reason!
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A cover of Killing Me Softly?? ... geez
Here is an example of coverdom ...
listen and make your own judgement:
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A cover of Killing Me Softly?? ... geez
Here is an example of coverdom ...
listen and make your own judgement:
Yes, indeed, a cover! Roberta Flack did the original, and while lame in it's own right, the Fugees' rap version was a massacre! An example of a good cover, I think, is The Clash's version of Eddie Grant's "Police On My Back".
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Occasionaly a cover song is better than the original e.g when Lady Ree covered Redding's Respect even otis admited several times "that girl just took my song away" Clarence Carter's rendition of Patches IMO far exceeded the fist version by a country singer.
Here's a bit of trivia:
Anyone know which song had 3 different versions hit the Top 40 Charts? (come to think of it, theremight 2 different correct answers for this one)
How about the only song to be number one on the Top 40 charts on 2 different occasions?
Which is the most covered song of the so-called rock n roll era?
Who had the original version of Big Brother & The Holding Company's (Janis Joplin) Piece of My Heart? bonus, what's special about that artist?
I have known about all of these and mucho more, decades before the internet age so answer if you know without having to Google them....
S F
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Occasionaly a cover song is better than the original e.g when Lady Ree covered Redding's Respect even otis admited several times "that girl just took my song away" Clarence Carter's rendition of Patches IMO far exceeded the fist version by a country singer.
I think the best cover song ever was Vanilla Fudge's "You Keep Me Hangin On". They transformed a fluffly & bouncy Motown number into something that sounds like a bad acid trip....it still sounds good today, even when straight.
Here's a bit of trivia:
Anyone know which song had 3 different versions hit the Top 40 Charts? (come to think of it, theremight 2 different correct answers for this one)
Would "I Heard it Through the Grapevine" be one of them? Love that CCR version.
Which is the most covered song of the so-called rock n roll era?
"Yesterday" ????
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I think the best cover song ever was Vanilla Fudge's "You Keep Me Hangin On". They transformed a fluffly & bouncy Motown number into something that sounds like a bad acid trip....it still sounds good today, even when straight.
Would "I Heard it Through the Grapevine" be one of them? Love that CCR version.
"Yesterday" ????
Great band!!!!! Most of Vanilla Fudge's first album was cover tunes, and the one you mention is a total blockbuster!! Also, does anyone know how many cover versions there are of Bob Dylan's "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue"? I know The Grateful Dead, Steve Howe(solo), and The Chocolate Watch Band all covered it, but there must be others!
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Re: Aerosmith's Come Together
This was recorded for the musical abomination that was Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band The Movie, which I inducted into MTS awhile back.
The song with 3 different versions to hit the Top 40 that I can think of is I Heard It Through The Grapevine (Gaye, Knight, CCR)
The most covered song is indeed Yesterday
Willie Mae "Big Mama" Thornton recorded the original Piece of My Heart. I'm not sure what you mean by "special", other than she had a hell of a set of pipes on her. Perhaps the fact that she recorded original Hound Dog is what you were looking for.
The question about a song being #1 on two different occasions, I can't pinpoint it right now. I know I've come across that tidbit somewhere...I'll have to get back to you.
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Ok, I'll guess It's Now Or Never by Elvis. I remember it having a comeback recently.
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Aretha Franklin's sister, Irma had the original version of Piece of my Heart, hence the "speical connection"
I just realized there are 3 songs that charted Top 40 3 times,
Dedicated to the One I Love has charted 3 times by different groups, the first time by the extremely under rated and often forgotten, 5 Royales with their brilliant guitarist Lowman Pauling. This group was B A D.
After the 5 Royales, the Shirelles and Mamas & Papas all charted with it. Locomotion by Little Eva, Grand Funk Railroad and then Lilie Monogue also charted 3 times, the first 2 were number 1's. The one I forgot about was I Heard It Through the Grapevine, my favorite version being Gladys Knight & The Pips, the other 2 charters as indicated by Gary Stooge were Marvin Gaye and CCR.
During the 60's it was common for a newly penned song by a Motown composer to be recorded by several roster artists to see which would do the best, there are many hit Motown songs that have 2 or 3 other previous or subsequent versions by other groups, often better versions.
Chubby Checker's cover version of The Twist is the only song to hit number one on 2 different occasions, I believe it was 1960 and then '61. Another King label group that is extremely under rated is Hank Ballard and the Midnighters who launched the famous Annie series with several sequels and dozens of answers songs, a virtually forgotten art. The twist as a dance goes back to the early 1950's in the Black community, the original early 1950's Drifters with Clyde McPhatter(what a voice, he was Sam Cooke before Sam) had a song, Whatcha' Gonna Do, considered the first twist song. Dick Clark's wife baptized Ernest Evans Chubby Checker as a reference to Fats Domino.
Yesterday and then Louie, Louie are the 1-2 most covered songs of the rock era.
I was lucky to have met Big Mama Thornton in the late 1970's at a concert of oldies R n B stars organized by the Godfather of Rn B-Johnny Otis in Los Angeles. Besides her own material she did a great tribute to her competitor-friend Big Maybelle who had recently died and did a great vesrsion of Whole Lotta Shaking Goin On that was Big Maybelle's song before Jerry Lewis.
I am an oldies fan going back to my teens in the early 60's, I'll turn 56 in a few weeks so I have accumulated tonnage of trivia and knowledge through experience of radio listening and collecting, after my own Cuban and salsa music which I perform as a part time musician, my favorite music is late 1940's through mid 60's, RnB, vocal harmony(misnamed doo-wop), jump blues and soul. Second favorite late 1960's through mid '70's funk, then came disco to ruin everything.
S F
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A cover of Killing Me Softly?? ... geez
Here is an example of coverdom ...
listen and make your own judgement:
Yeah! A lot of the punk bands seem to do covers of really bad 70's AM stuff....Probably the songs that they grew up with, like I did.
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Aretha Franklin's sister, Irma had the original version of Piece of my Heart, hence the "speical connection"
Locomotion by Little Eva, Grand Funk Railroad and then Lilie Monogue also charted 3 times, the first 2 were number 1's.
S F
There was a crappy 1980's version of the Locomotion...late 1980's, buy some female singer like Tiffany or some other mall rat. I dont know if it went top 10 though.
Locomotion has been a hit in every decade since the 1960s, I thought. When did the last version come out?
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That's Kylie Minogue who came out with a cover of Loco Motion in the late 1980's.
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Mack the Knife – Bobby Darin
Oh the shark, Babe, has such teeth, dear
And it shows them pearly white
Just a jack knife has old MacHeath, Babe
And he keeps it outasight
Ya know when that shark bites with its teeth, Babe
Scarlet billows start to spread
Fancy gloves, though, wears old MacHeath, Babe
So there’s never, never a trace of red
Now on the sidewalk, oooh, Sunday morning, uh-huh
Lies a body just oozing life
And someone’s sneaking ‘round the corner
Could that someone be Mack the Knife
There’s a tugboat down by the river, don’tcha know
Where a cement bag’s justa drooping on down
Oh, that cement is just, its there for the weight, dear
Five’ll get ya ten Ole Macky’s back in town
Now, d’ja hear ‘bout Louie Miller, he disappeared, Babe
After drawing out all his hard earned cash
And now MacHeath spends just like a sailor
Could it be our boy’s done something rash
Now, Jenny Diver, yeah, Sukey Tawdry
Oh, Miss Lottie Lenya and Ole Lucy Brown
Oh, the line forms on the right, Babe
Now that Macky’s back in town
I said Jenny Diver, woah, Sukey Tawdry
Look out to Miss Lottie Lenya, and Ole Lucy Brown
Yes, that line forms on the right, Babe
Now that Macky’s … … back in town
Look out Ole Macky’s back
This tune took a considerable amount of research to pin down. Pilsner MUST be familiar with it, and I’m sure he’ll have many elucidating comments about it. I’ve included it in the “cover songs” section, as Bobby did not come up with this song on his own. As the lyrics suggest, there is a much deeper story going on. This is my only nitpick, because in order to really appreciate this tune, the story surrounding the song must be told. This is a song from the 1928 play titled “The Threepenny Opera” written by Bertolt Brecht in Germany. The opening song, “Die Moritat von Mackie Messer” was adapted by Louis Armstrong into “Mack the Knife” and later gave Bobby Darin his only number one pop single. “The Threepenny Opera” was itself an adaptation of another satire written in 1728 titled “The Beggar’s Opera” by John Gay. The central character in both works is MacHeath, who is an elegant highwayman in Gay’s work, and a violent criminal in Brecht’s work who sees himself as a businessman. The references to the men and women in the Armstrong/Darin songs are from the Threepenny Opera. MacHeath marries Polly Peachum which displeases her father, Jonathan, who controls the beggars of London, and he attempts to get MacHeath hanged. The attempt is complicated by the fact that MacHeath is friends with Tiger Brown, the Chief of Police. Eventually Peachum gets MacHeath to the gallows, but the Queen issues a pardon at the last minute.
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I can't add much to that, Giff, you really did your homework there. I, for one, can't hear "Mack The Knife" without thinking of the great Ernie Kovacs, who used the original German version to accompany the blackout comedy sketches on his 1950's TV show. In the surreal Kovacs manner, he'd always have an oscilloscope trace of the music running along the bottom of the screen. Unfortunately, I've only got that recording on "The Best of Ernie Kovacs" DVD set, and I have no way to rip it to the MP3 format. Or maybe I do, but I'm too technically dense to figure it out (as usual).
I'll at least provide a link to the DVD at amazon.com, as I highly recommend it to any fans of classic comedy, and there are at least a few people like that around here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000056B07/qid=1145305970/sr=1-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-1536137-4325700?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=dvd&v=glance&n=130
Aside from the familiar Louis Armstrong, Frank Sinatra, and Bobby Darin recordings, the song has been covered by a remarkable range of artists, everyone from Ella Fitzgerald to the Doors. That latter, I've never heard— and I don't want to, either. I wouldn't inflict anything by the Doors on an unsuspecting and innocent audience, I'm just not that sadistic.
[yuck]
I'd actually rather hear Wayne Newton's rendition (yes, he covered it, too). Love him or hate him, Wayne Newton can stay on pitch and knows what key he's singing in, which is more than you can say for Jim Morrison.
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The Doors version of Mack the Knife ... that one I haven't heard. I like what Denis Leary said about the Doors:
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The Doors version of Mack the Knife ... that one I haven't heard. I like what Denis Leary said about the Doors:
That about covers the subject, Giff.
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The lesson seems to be, never sing while drunk. Or, never post anything to message boards while drunk.
Hi there, Shemoeley...
;D
The worst drunken musical performance I ever saw was one by Ray Davies and the Kinks. This was in 1978, and it was one of the first live concerts I ever went to. That guy was so thoroughly plastered, he was swigging either vodka or gin from a bottle, right onstage... and joking about it.
::)
The rest of the group was a little less fried-to-the-gills than the leader, but it didn't help much.
Too bad— because at least in the studio, the Kinks were a great band and Mr. Davies is a fine (and often overlooked) rock songwriter.
[shrug]
Only W.C. Fields could get away with performing with a few belts under his belt... maybe because Shemp the bartender knew just how to mix his drinks.
8)
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However ... singing while drunk is often practiced. In fact, it is probably a preferred passtime by drunk people. POSTING while drunk is harder to detect, but I have noticed a few items to watch for. First, the poster will miss an [obvious typing error. Second, the poster will missspell a word and not pick-up on it. Third, (and most damning), the poster will present a sentence that makes no cohesive sense in the context and blender of what was presented as the topic of choice and marriage and wolf breath.
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I feel obligated to defend the Doors here. Morrison was one of the greatest, most original and demented (I mean that as a compliment) American lyricists of all time, and whether he could "stay in key" or not doesn't matter. His voice was perfectly suited for the hard, edgy music the Doors were doing. Besides, anyone with the balls to give Ed Sullivan the proverbial middle finger on live national television during Sullivan's peak is alright by me.
Morrison will be remembered long after those overrated hack crooners like Darin, Sinatra, and Newton are long forgotten. Had Morrison not OD'd I doubt he would have spent his middle-aged and beyond years in Vegas singing in front of a bunch of post-menopausal women that throw their granny panties at the stage.
Speaking of overrated hacks...
Denis Leary is nothing but a talentless fuck who completely stole Bill Hicks' entire act and persona. I so wish he was a fucking Yankees fan, the Red Sox deserve so much better than that piece of shit loser.
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No, no... there's no defense for the Doors. That idiotic, worthless crap! I'll be the first to admit that other than hip-hop, 60's rock is my least favorite form of music, and with the exception of Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart, some of the Beatles and some of Led Zeppelin, I never listen to it. In fact, I wish I'd never had to listen to it when I was growing up.
Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that you have absolute pitch (which I do). If someone is singing or playing off-key, it's actually
painful to have to hear it! There are certain sounds that can drive me right out of the room, and an off-key singer is right at the top of the list.
I have a recording that's so horrible in that sense, that it's actually funny... Bette Davis trying to sing. She's got a full, professional orchestra and chorus behind her, but she's also got such a tin ear that none of that helps, and it's an atrocity. It's so remarkably bad that I'm going to have to dig it out of my files and post it in Pilsner's Picks as a special feature.
The only thing I can compare it to is a film clip that I once saw of the Doors performing on some TV show. Jim Morrison is obviously plastered to the gills, and he stumbles through a song (literally), messing up the lyrics that he wrote himself because he's too drunk to remember them.
Where the artistic merit or entertainment value is in that, I defy anyone to say.
[thumbsdown]
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Ahhhh...Robert Walden Cassotto! May you rest in piece, Bobby! (One of my obsessions other than the Stooges).
If you only know Bobby Darin from Mack the Knife, PLEASE check out any recorded performance you can. There is a great documentary that runs on PBS sometimes and also you can buy it called "Beyond The Song" and a wonderful DVD called "Mack is Back", which was his last NBC special just weeks before he died at age 37.
Bobby was a character, a MENSA member, and a drummer before anything else. He was a genius in the literal sense with a very high IQ.
Pils, got any BD at the Copacabana?????
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I've got "Mack the Knife" and a few other Darin tracks, MJ, but I try to stay away from posting any music that might still be under copyright, for obvious reasons (hello, there RIAA).
:police:
It's an old, old story, but I'll tell it again: I used to have my whole music library online 24/7 for file-sharing, but when the RIAA and the federal courts cracked down on that four years ago, I shut it down. In fact, that's how Pilsner's Picks got started, because I wanted to keep the results of a lifetime of collecting available to anyone who wanted it, but I didn't want to be sued. That was when I floated the Picks concept to Rob, and he really liked the idea.
However, the reason that the Picks are so heavy on 20's-30's-40's material is that most of it's in the public domain by now. Anything that isn't is probably covered under the Fair Use rule; either that, or I'm (hopefully) too much of a small fry for the legal sharks to bother with.
You'd be surprised at what's still copyrighted: "Happy Birthday," for example. Anyone would think that that's a "traditional" tune, but some music publishing company (I forget which) actually owns the rights to it. Strictly speaking, they should get a penny or two any time anyone sings the song. If they could somehow enforce that and collect, they'd be the richest people on the planet!
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I'm sure somebody put a gun to your head and forced you to listen to 60's rock, Pils. Please, you could have turned off the radio or left the area in which it was played.
Mid 60's-early 70's was when some of the best rock music was made. Beatles, Hendrix, Zeppelin, Stones, Doors, etc. Was there shit music in that time period? Definately, there's shit music in every time period. How anyone can listen to those talentless crooners or most anything from the mid-70's onward and tell me the Doors were worse I'll never understand.
Rock music is about kicking ass and taking names, not having perfect pitch. If you can't see that then you shouldn't listen to it at all.
I'd much rather listen to Morrison stagger through a song then listen to the vast majority of that antiquated shit you enjoy, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.
PS: Darin sucks.
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I'm sure somebody put a gun to your head and forced you to listen to 60's rock, Pils. Please, you could have turned off the radio or left the area in which it was played.
Not if you're a passenger on a long car trip and that's what the driver wants to listen to... something that happened to me fairly often in my younger days.
Mid 60's-early 70's was when some of the best rock music was made. Beatles, Hendrix, Zeppelin, Stones, Doors, etc. Was there shit music in that time period? Definately, there's shit music in every time period. How anyone can listen to those talentless crooners or most anything from the mid-70's onward and tell me the Doors were worse I'll never understand.
Rock music is about kicking ass and taking names, not having perfect pitch. If you can't see that then you shouldn't listen to it at all.
I'd much rather listen to Morrison stagger through a song then listen to the vast majority of that antiquated shit you enjoy, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Well, as the old saying goes, that's why they make chocolate and vanilla. But, you don't even like washboard bands?
Long live Clarence Williams, Washboard Sam, and the Hoosier Hot Shots, that's what I say! One good side by any of them is worth a ton of rock records, at least to me.
;)
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The only "instruments" that bring visions of Ned Beatty getting ass-raped by a hillbilly into my mind faster than the washboard are the jug and the banjo.
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Oy vayz mir... well, at least we both despise George Steinbrenner and the Yankees.
[duck]
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Not if you're a passenger on a long car trip and that's what the driver wants to listen to... something that happened to me fairly often in my younger days.
Well, as the old saying goes, that's why they make chocolate and vanilla. But, you don't even like washboard bands?
Long live Clarence Williams, Washboard Sam, and the Hoosier Hot Shots, that's what I say! One good side by any of them is worth a ton of rock records, at least to me.
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The only "instruments" that bring visions of Ned Beatty getting ass-raped by a hillbilly into my mind faster than the washboard are the jug and the banjo.
[soapbox] I actually like that old blues stuff, but I agree that washboards and jugs don't make good instruments. The jug bands were the sissy end of Blues. Country and urban pre-war blues are a bit antiquated now, but, pre-British Invasion, it's all there was that challenged authority. I sit firmly on the Blues end of the Blues/Jazz divide that existed then, as the Blues were made under circumstances that would break any struggling musician's heart nowadays. Leadbelly, Sonny Boy Williamson 2, Howlin' Wolf, Bukka White and Son House were rebels in their time, and most of them didn't get going until middle-age (except for Robert Johnson, Charley Patton and a handful of others)! Rock definitely is an improvement on the Blues, at least since 1964, anyway. I'm a Punker first, but I couldn't give less than a shit what year a song was made: Blues, Garage Rock, Psychedelic/Prog/Heavy Metal, and Hardcore/Punk Rock were each the best in their times, in that order!! By the way, The Doors were one of the best, and influenced or drew upon all of the above categories!
P.S. Long live Robert Fripp and King Crimson!! [nuts] [nuts]
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I hardly ever dismiss anyone's opinion out-of-hand, but in your case, Bangsmith, I will.
To say that rock was an "improvement" on the blues— that's one of the most ignorant statements I've ever seen on this board (including Islipp's and some other half-wits whose names I forget). I shouldn't even dignify it with a reply, except that I just did.
>:(
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We all have our opinions. Someone might think that rap is better than funk. If you can't tell by my posting, I'm a big Blues fan. I have about as many Blues albums as rock ones. Rock isn't THAT much better, but the buying public seems to think it is. Even black people don't listen to it much anymore. It is strange for me to defend my comments on the matter, since I love the blues so much, even stranger how an OPINION could be "ignorant" when there are no hard facts in the matter, and even stranger to be smited for it!!! By the way, you made a typo in that smite!!!!!!!!!
P.S. When I said "in that order", I meant chronologically, not talent-wise. When I said "Improvement", I was referring to the extra influences not heard in straight blues. Rock's best quality IS that it drew upon the blues!!!
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Oh, there are hard facts in the matter. Are you going to tell me that some teenage garage band is "equivalent" to a Beethoven piano sonata? Or to Fats Waller or Charles Ives, George Gershwin, Cole Porter, Louis Armstrong, Harold Arlen, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Henry Red Allen, or Cecil Taylor?
Nawww, I ain't buyin' any... take that load someplace else.
Oh, and that typo is because I've got a disabled right arm. I usually have to type anything about three times to get it right. Thanks for reminding me.
Twerp.
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Maybe not a "Teenage" garage band, but a well-seasoned garage band, maybe. Beethoven was probably horrible when he started writing. I don't like Jazz, so I can't comment on those others, as my opinion, like yours, would be too biased. I do like blues, and most of them improved with age, just as the Jazz musicians, Classical composers, AND rock stars. I do like Beethoven, by the way!
P.S. I can't "remind" you of something I knew nothing about.
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Maybe not a "Teenage" garage band, but a well-seasoned garage band, maybe. Beethoven was probably horrible when he started writing. I don't like Jazz, so I can't comment on those others, as my opinion, like yours, would be too biased. I do like blues, and most of them improved with age, just as the Jazz musicians, Classical composers, AND rock stars. I do like Beethoven, by the way!
P.S. I can't "remind" you of something I knew nothing about.
I'm "too biased," all right, against morons. How blues or any other music can "improve with age" is beyond me, since the music was either good when it was made, or it wasn't. How old it is has nothing to do with how good it is, just as with comedy. Are the Stooges also old and out of date, or are you really that unperceptive?
I'll explain this so even you can understand it (thanks, Moe): I just recently watched the ten Buster Keaton Columbia shorts, most of them for the first time. Since I'd never seen all but two them before, they were new to me, and hilarious.
If that's not the case, and I shouldn't have laughed because they're "old," and can be "improved on," please tell me why.
Obviously, that new Pink Panther film with Steve Martin is an improvement over anything Peter Sellers ever did, right?
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Speaking of "Cover Songs" (which no one seems to be doing). I can think of a song that has been covered by just about every Jazz and Big Band in the 20th Century. That would be Count Basie's One O'Clock Jump. I believe I have about 10 different versions of that song by different people.For anyone who thinks Jazz or Big Bands got better with time , you need to get a copy of Benny Goodman at Carnegie Hall 1938. His cover of One O' Clock Jump, with Gene Kruppa on drums on Harry James on the horn is second to none ( Even Basie's, in my opinion).
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Speaking of "Cover Songs" (which no one seems to be doing).
Jazzbill ... have you been READING the posts that have been made hear-in? We have dwelled on nothing else! WAKE-UP ! ... Just look at the last round of "Mack the Knife" entries to confirm this excellence in cover songness ....
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Speaking of "Cover Songs" (which no one seems to be doing). I can think of a song that has been covered by just about every Jazz and Big Band in the 20th Century. That would be Count Basie's One O'Clock Jump. I believe I have about 10 different versions of that song by different people.For anyone who thinks Jazz or Big Bands got better with time , you need to get a copy of Benny Goodman at Carnegie Hall 1938. His cover of One O' Clock Jump, with Gene Kruppa on drums on Harry James on the horn is second to none ( Even Basie's, in my opinion).
When it comes to most-covered jazz tunes, I'd submit "St. Louis Blues," "Tiger Rag" and "The Sheik of Araby" and "I Got Rhythm" as the top contenders. The latter probably wins, since Gershwin's original chord changes have been used as the basis for hundreds of jazz numbers that have different titles. The use of its chord structure became so common by the 1940's that jazz musicians used the term "Rhythm changes" as shorthand for anything based on that chord pattern.
I've been thinking about doing a Picks segment consisting of all one composition, covered by a dozen or so different people. Maybe it's too weird an idea to fly, though...
I'll take suggestions as to whether I should do this or not, since I can't decide.
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A dozen-or-so versions of "I've Got Rhythm" ... it seems worth the effort to me, if only to verify that all twelve can spell "Rhythm" correctly.
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To Pilsner: You may have misunderstood my point. I started out DEFENDING your taste in music(washboards and jugs aside)!! I used one off-color example of one form of music(rock) that I thought was slightly better than another(blues). Obviously, not everything improves with age. I think Country Music sucks compared to long ago! The Three Stooges cannot be improved upon, which is why we are both here! I recently bought the Buster Keaton set, and I thought it was hilarious! As for me, though, I'd like to think that I'm better at what I do now than when I started!! As for this topic, most cover songs suck!
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Jazzbill ... have you been READING the posts that have been made hear-in? We have dwelled on nothing else! WAKE-UP ! ... Just look at the last round of "Mack the Knife" entries to confirm this excellence in cover songness ....
I was joking about the bickering,the posts themselves have been interesting. Now, back to business.
A song that I have always considered a true Rock Classic , a kick your ass and stomp your head type song is Whole Lotta Love by Led Zeppelin. Well, a couple of years ago I bought a CD called "Blues Masters Sampler ". On it was a song sung by Muddy Waters and written by Willie Dixon that sounded familiar, but I couldn't place it. I looked at the name and it was called " You Need Love ".Well it finally hit me that it was the original "Whole Lotta Love". I dug out my old Led Zeppilin LP to see who got credit for writing it and it was listed as Page, Plant , J.P. Jones and Bonham.
So even a Rock Classic like Whole Lotta Love was lifted from R.& B.
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I was joking about the bickering,the posts themselves have been interesting. Now, back to business.
A song that I have always considered a true Rock Classic , a kick your ass and stomp your head type song is Whole Lotta Love by Led Zeppelin. Well, a couple of years ago I bought a CD called "Blues Masters Sampler ". On it was a song sung by Muddy Waters and written by Willie Dixon that sounded familiar, but I couldn't place it. I looked at the name and it was called " You Need Love ".Well it finally hit me that it was the original "Whole Lotta Love". I dug out my old Led Zeppilin LP to see who got credit for writing it and it was listed as Page, Plant , J.P. Jones and Bonham.
So even a Rock Classic like Whole Lotta Love was lifted from R.& B.
I believe Led Zeppelin got sued by Willie Dixon over that lack of a writing credit. I have the original Muddy Waters version, and it kicks ass!! Willie Dixon went too far, however, because Blues in general has always copied older works. How many times has "Dust My Broom" been covered and presented as a new song? Elmore James had the biggest version, but it was done before and after by Leadbelly and others.
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Speaking of "Cover Songs" (which no one seems to be doing). I can think of a song that has been covered by just about every Jazz and Big Band in the 20th Century. That would be Count Basie's One O'Clock Jump. I believe I have about 10 different versions of that song by different people.For anyone who thinks Jazz or Big Bands got better with time , you need to get a copy of Benny Goodman at Carnegie Hall 1938. His cover of One O' Clock Jump, with Gene Kruppa on drums on Harry James on the horn is second to none ( Even Basie's, in my opinion).
YES! Back on topic.... [dance]
Ever hear the Ted Heath version where the trumpets do the 16th notes UP the scale instead of the usual version going down. Great kick ass band, Heath had....lotsa friggin brass!!!!!
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As a rule , I think the original is better than the cover. But there are exceptions to this. One that comes to mind is a little tune released by a R.& B. artist named Richard Berry in 1957. It didn't go too far , but it did have a little success in the Los Angeles area. Then in 1963 it was covered by a band that defined what a garage band is all about. The recording was raw, it was flawed (the singer started singing a verse too early), it was controversial ( It was investigated by the FBI, and found to be unintelligible ). But even today, 43 years after the Kingsmen recorded it, every time I hear "Louie Louie " come on the radio. I find myself reaching for the volume knob , to jack up the volume.
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As a rule , I think the original is better than the cover. But there are exceptions to this. One that comes to mind is a little tune released by a R.& B. artist named Richard Berry in 1957. It didn't go too far , but it did have a little success in the Los Angeles area. Then in 1963 it was covered by a band that defined what a garage band is all about. The recording was raw, it was flawed (the singer started singing a verse too early), it was controversial ( It was investigated by the FBI, and found to be unintelligible ). But even today, 43 years after the Kingsmen recorded it, every time I hear "Louie Louie " come on the radio. I find myself reaching for the volume knob , to jack up the volume.
"Louie Louie" virtually started the garage band trend in the USA. Everyone wanted to be in a band after that(This was before America discovered The Beatles). It is strange that the very quality that gets loud music made fun of is what saved the Kingsmens' asses! Luckily, it never went beyond investigation, but starting with the Dead Kennedys in 1985, musical acts were dragged into court for their art itself. Ozzy, Judas Priest, 2Live Crew, Slayer, and the DK's all were hauled into court, and all got off, thank God!! While not really a "cover", the Dead Kennedys were charged with trafficking in "Harmful matter to minors" over a painting they used in their "Frankenchrist" album which they didn't even have anything to do with!! They were known for wacky covers, too! Probably the one that most people could get a chuckle out of(loud music notwithstanding) is their take on "Take This Job And Shove It". The lyrics are unchanged, but the music is balls-out punk rock. Even if you don't like that sort of music, that song is worth hearing for novelty's sake alone! [nuts] [nuts] [nuts]
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Bullshit! Paul Anka
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A couple of covers that beat the originals that come to mind:
Hendrix's cover of Dylan's All Along The Watchtower
Johnny Cash's cover of Nine Inch Nails' Hurt
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Johnny Cash's cover of Nine Inch Nails' Hurt
I'm not a big Johnny Cash fan, but I really like that song. I had no idea that is was a Nine Inch Nails song, though.
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A couple of covers that beat the originals that come to mind:
Hendrix's cover of Dylan's All Along The Watchtower
Johnny Cash's cover of Nine Inch Nails' Hurt
[yes] [yes] Excellent choices!!!!! I became a Johnny Cash fan after hearing that cover. He also does a version of Soundgarden's "Rusty Cage", which is quite different from the original, not necessarily better or worse in my opinion. I'm no Dylan fan, so I agree with that, as well! I heard a live Tori Amos cover of Springsteen's "I'm On Fire" several years ago on the radio that blew me away. On the other extreme, Rage Against The Machine's version of "The Ghost Of Tom Joad" was much louder, but worse than Springsteen's original!
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I doubt if you'll finish it, Pils ...
check out THIS trash!
http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/Shatnersings.htm (http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/Shatnersings.htm)
Sorry, I didn't take time to see that you had included Bill's woeful rendition of Mr. Tamborine Man in your attachments ... but it does reinforce the fact that as long as there are microphones and idiots ready to use them, we'll have plenty of musical gunk to rail against.
I somehow missed this when you first posted it. This is really great stuff. It is worse than I remembered. I would have to call this album the "Plan 9 From Outer Space" of music. ( Man, I love that movie.)
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Yeah ... this is REALLY gag-me-wid-a-spoon stuff to listen to. I can't see why ANYONE (even Shatner himself) would consider funding such chitterlings as this. (if only to feed his own ego)
However, the Nimoy rendition of "Bilbo Baggins" isn't all that bad, in fact, its kinda cute.
(FYI - "chitterlings", also know as "chittlins", is a food that is eaten in the South. It consists of the cooked intestines of the pig, that's all, no foolin'.)
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That explains a lot— mainly, why those books were at the height of their popularity during the Hippie era. I used to toke up, but reading anything afterward was out of the question, because being high affected my concentration too much. I could either listen to or play music, but not read a book, because my mind would start wandering after a page or two. I finally had to quit when I got a job as an auditor, balancing the accounts for a large hotel every night. Fuzzy-mindedness just wouldn't have cut it, doing that work accurately. I'm not in that field any more, but I never got back into the habit of smoking weed.
It's the same syndrome as some of the rock music from that period; I suppose you had to be high to listen to a lot of that amateurish dreck. What else could possibly account for the popularity of all those "off-key kids?"
Why am I sounding so much like shemps#1 these days? For whatever reason, my cur is really mudgeoned lately.
I had to give it up too, because of my job as a truck driver (Random drug tests). But I agree with you, it did seem to help make the music sound better. Hell, I've been so toasted it made the test patterns on late night TV look interesting. Ahh yes, the good old days.
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The group known as Thin Lizzy exercised great skill in choosing the name for their rock band. They were an Irish band originating in Dublin, and it has been speculated that the band’s name was derived from the nickname of the Ford Model – T car, Tin Lizzie, or perhaps from a Dandy comic book character of the same name, and thereby mimicking Eric Clapton’s 1966 album Bluesbreakers with Eric Clapton, in which the album cover photo shows Eric’s band reading a copy of The Beano, a sister comic. They went as far as to change the spelling of “Tin” to “Thin” and “Lizzie” to Lizzy”, with the tongue-in-cheek nod to the band’s hometown where the word “thin” is pronounced “tin”.
For all that braininess in constructing a name for a band, their first foray onto the charts came in 1973 from a cover of a very old traditional Irish Folk Song, titled “Whiskey in the Jar”. They gave it a hard rock spin while leaving most of the antiquated lyrics intact. It makes for a queasy ride, and I’m hard pressed to understand why this one even made it onto any charts. Leave antiquated lyrics where they belong, in the antiquated past! The song is pleasant enough to listen to without any modern twists. I’ve included a recording which I’ll consider a reasonable version of the original, in which the song is played before an Irish pub audience in pretty-much a traditional style.
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I love that good old Pub music, myself... but it's just not the same without any Goons in it.
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Thanks, Pils ... now I have another tune to add to my wacky music collection. I was unfamiliar with The Goon Show, but with a quick websearch, I found a plethora of info and a few mp3 downloads. I now have a couple of radio shows to hear ... see you folks later.
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Thanks, Pils ... now I have another tune to add to my wacky music collection. I was unfamiliar with The Goon Show, but with a quick websearch, I found a plethora of info and a few mp3 downloads. I now have a couple of radio shows to hear ... see you folks later.
Most Americans aren't familiar with the Goon Show, unless you grew up in the northeast in the 70's and 80's. WBAI radio in New York used to broadcast it every Wednesday night, for years. There was a regular Goon cult at my junior high school— we used to go around quoting the tag lines, like "You silly twisted boy!" "He's fallen in the water!" and of course, "Ying tong iddle i po!"
This totally confused anyone who wasn't in on it... especially the teachers.
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I should clarify my "pub music" remark: the early Goon Show scripts were written in a London pub called Jimmy Grafton's, which was a hangout for theatrical types in the 1940's and 50's.
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Pilsner ...
As a personally public service, I offer a sketch which, taken from thegoonshow.net, is considered one of their all-time greatest. (for your nostalgic reverie)
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Pilsner ...
As a personally public service, I offer a sketch which, taken from thegoonshow.net, is considered one of their all-time greatest. (for your nostalgic reverie)
Oh, I remember that routine! Eccles (Spike Milligan) and Bluebottle (Peter Sellers) having one of their screwy, surreal conversations. It's from an episode called "The Mysterious Punch Up The Conker" (American English: Punch In The Nose).
For this noble gesture, you are hereby awarded one Karma point, and a cardboard-and-string elastic-powered Arabian sock exploder.
You can actually get the Goon Show on CD's, but not in the U.S.; you have to buy them from Amazon.co.uk, but they're happy to ship your purchases over here to the Colonies. I've got a few, but since the show ran for nine years, buying the whole set would be pretty expensive!
Goon, but not forgotten... between these guys and the Stooges as childhood influences, it's no wonder I turned out so bent. [tounge]
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One of the BEST examples of a cover song done right ... >:D ::)
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One of the BEST examples of a cover song done right ... >:D ::)
"Hey, Plymouth Rock...!" Talk about laying an egg! Spike Jones originated the singing chicken bit back in the 40's ("Holiday For Strings"), but it's still funny.
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Pardon me if'n I don't download the Spike Jones tune - I ardy gots it.
What I love about the song, though, is that not only is it a classic Spike tune, but the song was also used by Red Skelton in the 60's as the theme song for his television show, a show I religiously watched as a kid.
Opening Monologue
Well, the tops are getting lower and the bottoms are getting higher ... pretty soon the girls will have more than two cheeks to powder.
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Pardon me if'n I don't download the Spike Jones tune - I ardy gots it.
What I love about the song, though, is that not only is it a classic Spike tune, but the song was also used by Red Skelton in the 60's as the theme song for his television show, a show I religiously watched as a kid.
Yeah, Giff, Spike's takeoff was based on the original hit record by David Rose and his Orchestra, and David Rose later became the long-time musical conductor for the Red Skelton Show. "Holiday For Strings" was the closing theme of the show, right up to the end.
One of the greatest experiences I've ever had in a theater was seeing Red Skelton live, in what turned out to be his last tour, in 1991. Damn, but the man was hilarious, even at an advanced age!
Like all of the other vaudeville-trained classic comedians, the very idea of disappointing an audience would have horrified him. They all worked very, very hard at their craft.
Which is why they still convulse us with laughter, to this day.
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Spike Jones did a parody of a VERY popular song in the forties - that of (Ghost) Riders in the Sky. He even went as far as to name Vaughn Monroe as the guy who sings it the most, and therefore I will present them both. Consider Spike's version as the cover song.
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America's Country Music Song Butchers leave no song unturned. Homer & Jethro's version of "Davy Crockett" beats the tar outa the original, although Fess Parker does a rousing job of singin'.
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Mairzy Doats is a novelty song composed in 1943 by Milton Drake, Al Hoffman and Jerry Livingston. It was first played on radio station WOR in New York, by Al Trace and his Silly Symphonists. The song made the pop charts several times, with a version by The Merry Macs reaching No. 1 in March 1944. In addition to its success on the home front, it was also a hit with American servicemen overseas, who allegedly used its nonsensical lyrics as passwords. This tune is a cover made by The Pied Pipers, most likely in 1944, who were composed of Billy Wilson, Chuck Lowry, Jo Stafford, and her then-husband John Huddleston. They began with the Tommy Dorsey Band in 1939, backing Sinatra on many classic recordings. Their first single ("Deacon Jones"/"Pistol Packin' Mama") was released in 1943.
One of the writers, Milton Drake, says this number is based on an English nursery rhyme. Drake says the idea came to him when his four year old daughter came home singing the English rhyme which starts "Cowzy tweet and sowzy tweet and libble sharksy doisters."
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This one will make all of us cry ...
that flaky, achy-breaky song!! :o :D [pie] >:D
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Here's one tune that was silly to start with ... didn't need America's song butchers to make this one a guffaw getter!
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Here's one from the early days of TV ... The show Have Gun, Will Travel (1957 - 1963) starred Richard Boone. The show followed the adventures of Paladin, a gentleman-turned-gunfighter who preferred to settle problems without violence, yet, when forced to fight, excelled. When working, he dressed in black, used calling cards and wore a holster which carried characteristic chess knight emblems, and carried a derringer under his belt.
A proper turn for the TV's theme song came in this rib-tickling remake of the Paladin song.
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Although NOT officially a cover song, this tune by the Galvatrons (2008 - to release their first album soon) is so similar to the 1980's Devo tune "That's Good" that I thought it worth noting. Also, wikipedia mentioned Devo as one of The Galvatrons' main influences.
It's nice to see that weird-ass, odd, idiotic, funky music is still sorta-kinda popular.
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Speaking of cover songs, I didn't know until just the other day that the Three Dog Night hit "One" was actually a cover and Harry Nilsson was the originator.
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It's funny that you guys bring this up, but my book mentions this very fact, along with lots of other information regarding covers and who did them originally.
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Well it was weird, I had my Windows Media Player on shuffle and TDN's "One" comes on and the composer info scrolled along saying "Harry Nilsson". I then looked it up on Wikipedia and sure enough Nilsson performed the original. I'm a fan of both so I found the Nilsson version and while it is good TDN's cover trumps it.
I am surprised nobody called out Shemoley a few years back. I did a quick Google search and found that the two most covered songs are both Beatles songs: "Yesterday" of course and surprisingly enough "Eleanor Rigby". Some sites even had Rigby ahead of Yesterday, and "Louie Louie was nowhere on any of those lists.
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My favorite covers:
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Who's song is "Diamonds and Rust"?
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[headbang] [headbang] [headbang] [headbang]
Who's song is "Diamonds and Rust"?
Joan Baez. Halford sings that song beautifully.
As for "House of the Rising Sun," not sure who does the original, but I found out recently Bob Dylan covered it on his first album.
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I think you guys will really like my project. So much of this material is covered in my book. Anyway, all of Three Dog Night's hits were composed by well known writers like Nilsson, Hoyt Axton, Leo Sayer and Paul Williams. Wikipedia is an ok source, but it contains much false information.
My favorite covers..I'll have to think about that. Most covers don't due justice to the originals, but there are some cases where the covers exceed the original versions. One that does stand out is Benjamin Gibbard's acoustic version of the Tracey Ulman hit of the 80's "They Don't Know". I also like the Jeffrey Gaines version of "In Your Eyes" much more than the Peter Gabriel standard.
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Joan Baez. Halford sings that song beautifully.
As for "House of the Rising Sun," not sure who does the original, but I found out recently Bob Dylan covered it on his first album.
"House Of The Rising Sun" is a traditional folk song by Josh White that was adapted by The Animals' Alan Price.
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Here's a cover that I bet you didn't know; The Knack covering The Kink's "The Hard Way".
The Knack was a band that I thought was a one-hit band, but their work stands up today, and also had some of the filthiest lyrics around.
Lead singer Doug Fieger passed away last week after a batttle with cancer. He was 57.
Did anybody ever see The Knack live? I bet they were great in person.
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Here's a cover that I bet you didn't know; The Knack covering The Kink's "The Hard Way".
The Knack was a band that I thought was a one-hit band, but their work stands up today, and also had some of the filthiest lyrics around.
Lead singer Doug Fieger passed away last week after a batttle with cancer. He was 57.
Did anybody ever see The Knack live? I bet they were great in person.
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Whoa! I'll have to check that out tonight when I'm not at work and can check out youtube. I'm a really a big Kinks fan, and "The Hard Way" isn't exactly a predictable choice. There was a priod in the late 70's and early 80's where EVERYBODY was doing Kinks covers. I think that's one of the reasons why they got their second wave of commercial success in America.
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I think you guys will really like my project. So much of this material is covered in my book.
Just let us know when we can pre-order it, I remember you said it'll be available in May. I'll definitely check it out.