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Special Boards => Music That Sucks => Topic started by: shemps#1 on December 01, 2004, 04:41:50 PM
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Please leave your suggestions for induction into MTS in this thread.
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How 'bout these: Supertramp, America, Rod Stewart, Three Dog Night, Heart, Billy Joel, Led Zeppelin(post-1969), Bob Seger, Eddie Money, Bonnie Raitt, Badfinger.
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Rod Stewart is inducted (#22 I think).
Led Zep: no way. While there are a few songs I don't like (especially towards the end), the made alot of good music.
Badfinger: A Beatlesque group that I'm kinda sitting on the fence on. Did they have any other hit besides "Come and Get It"?
Three Dog Night and Billy Joel: I likes 'em, so nay. Joel has made some crap, but he has made some good music too.
Bob Segar: I'll put him in the queque. Pure shit right there.
Heart: Most definately in the queque. <shudder>
Supertramp: I can only think of one song of theirs, I'll have to look into them more.
Eddie Money and Bonnie Raitt: Oy vey! Into the queque they go.
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How about Van Halen after David Lee Roth left? Sammy Hagar's tenure was musically mediocre at best and lets not even talk about Gary Cherone era!!!! Gary Cherone was like the Curly-Joe of Van Halen.
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Badfinger had several other hits, including "No Matter What", "Day After Day", and probably a couple others I've forgotten. They are most memorable as the group with highest suicide rate per band member (I think 3 of them committed suicide). Loved Led Zep's 1st two albums, and hated everything after that, but can understand why people like them.
Forgot to mention all those female folk/pop artists of days past: Joni Mitchell, Laura Nyro, Carole King, Maria Muldaur, Ricki Lee Jones etc. Don't know if they qualify on top-40 grounds, but they sure qualify on suckiness grounds.
Also how about Jackson Browne...he's basically the male version of the above.
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Van Halen is #10, Jackson Browne was #17 I think. I'll have to redo him. As for the female artists, I could do them as a package...I don't think any of them would qualify as far as mainstream popularity is concerned.
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I may be the only person in the world who thinks this, but if I had to pick a favorite Zeppelin album at gunpoint, it would be LED ZEPPELIN III. Zeppelin never made a better metal song than "Immigrant Song" and "Since I've Been Loving You" is my favorite Zeppelin song ever. Definitely Plant's best vocal performance - so much emotion! Add "Gallow's Pole" and "Tangerine" as my other favorite from III, and you've got the album where Zeppelin started spreading their wings stylistically.
I beg for Creed, Limp Bizkit, and Poison to be inducted.
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.....or how 'bout doing once great bands jumping the shark? Aerosmith is the most perfect example. I listened to their second album, GET YOUR WINGS today, and I can't believe the same band who made that classic is currently pumping out the corn and nut infested pop rock turds (hey, gotta get into the spirit of the MTS section), written by "professional" songwriters.
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Since you've mentioned it, I was already thinking about doing something like that (jump the shark type deal), but with a much bigger name than Aerosmith. As for Tyler and Co., they might merit a full induction as I only like one song of theirs. The rest is shit.
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My nominees: James Taylor, Air Supply, Elton John, Richard Marx, Phish, and Limp
Bizkit.
Three decades of MTS...
Bands that 'jumped the shark' sounds like a great idea. I think Van Halen would qualify after DLR left (or got kicked out).
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With or without Roth, Van Halen sucked: that's why they are already inducted.
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Hows about Shania Twain and Celine Dion, what the hell are they all about??
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lol they do suck!
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James Taylor and Elton John, no. I like their early stuff (especially Elton's).
Richard Marx, possibly if I find more material to research on him.
Air Supply, in the queque.
Phish, no. They have not had enough commercial success.
I had set out to do a Limp Bizkit induction at one point, but could not find enough good, concrete material for research.
Shania Twain, tentatively in the queque. I'll do some light research first and see if there's enough material to do an induction.
Celine, fuck yeah.
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The suggestions you've already gotten are enough to keep you busy for the next year, Jim, but since you reviewed the "Sgt. Pepper" film in detail (your stomach is a lot stronger than mine), how about putting Peter Frampton's albums on the list?
More 70's Shit and Shinola:
Sonny and Cher (together and separately)
The Doobie Brothers
The Guess Who (not to be confused with The Who)
Dan Fogelberg (a Jackson Browne-type "sensitive" geek, only maybe worse.)
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Grand Funk Railroad
Deep Purple
Barry White
Donna Summer
The Captain and Tennille ("Muskrat Love")
Tony Orlando and Dawn ("Tie A Yellow Ribbon," for those of you who might not be old enough to remember either of those last two musical atrocities).
And my all-time "favorite," Neil Young. If anyone ever handed him a pitch pipe, he'd probably look at it in complete confusion, then stuff it full of weed and try to light it. I wouldn't personally recommend shooting The Off-Key Kid, but a tranquilizer dart and confinement in a zoo might be a humane solution, since he just won't go away! Can you spell r-e-t-i-r-e-m-e-n-t, Neil?
>:(
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Deep Purple on MTS? :o
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Peter Frampton; he just barely qualifies, but is really stretching it. That isn't to say that I haven't stretched it before.
Sonny and Cher are definately in the queque. They would be inducted together, but the induction would also include Cher solo.
Doobie Bros., Grand Funk Railroad, Deep Purple, The Guess Who; I dunno, there are other acts I feel more strongly about.
Tony Orlando and Dawn, Captain and Tennille, Donna Summer; shit yeah.
BTO; perhaps later on down the line. So much shitty music, so little time.
Fogelberg; an interesting choice, I'd have to do some quick research and see if he qualifies.
Barry White & Neil Young; no.
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Fogelberg; an interesting choice, I'd have to do some quick research and see if he qualifies.
"You kids, with your Pacman, and your Zima, and your Dan Fogelberg..." (Ernest Borgnine, in BASEketball)
;D
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Deep Purple on MTS? :o
Oh, maybe they're not so bad altogether, I just heard "Smoke On The Water" one too many times when I was an impressionable adolescent. For a mediocre song, it got one hell of a lot of air play!
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Deep Purple on MTS? :o
Oh, maybe they're not so bad altogether, I just heard "Smoke On The Water" one too many times when I was an impressionable adolescent. For a mediocre song, it got one hell of a lot of air play!
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That's pretty much how I feel about a lot of groups from my youth; like Led Zepplin, for instance. It's not that their music sucks, it's just that I've heard it so damn much that I can't take it any more. Kind of like the old Chinese water torture: a cool drop of water on the forehead can be refreshing and enjoyable, but drop after drop, on the same spot, without relenting, can drive you insane! [twitch] [nuts]
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Have Shania Twain or Leanne Rimes been mentioned/suggested yet?
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I'm lucky with Sabbath, Deep Purple, Zeppelin, etc. in that I didn't grow up in the 70's and have their hit songs shoved down my throat....and I never listen to the radio. I just buy the CD's, so I've probably heard "Smoke On The Water" just as much as any non-famous album track. I've had several people who grew up in the 70's tell me the song they are most sick of is "Smoke On The Water," so it must've been way overplayed!
All this said, Purple were/are an excellent band. Great songs and great musicianship all around. One of the great thrills in rock music is hearing Ritchie Blackmore and Jon Lord trading off solos on the guitar and Hammond organ.
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I'm lucky with Sabbath, Deep Purple, Zeppelin, etc. in that I didn't grow up in the 70's and have their hit songs shoved down my throat....and I never listen to the radio. I just buy the CD's, so I've probably heard "Smoke On The Water" just as much as any non-famous album track. I've had several people who grew up in the 70's tell me the song they are most sick of is "Smoke On The Water," so it must've been way overplayed!
All this said, Purple were/are an excellent band. Great songs and great musicianship all around. One of the great thrills in rock music is hearing Ritchie Blackmore and Jon Lord trading off solos on the guitar and Hammond organ.
Ah, lucky you... in the 70's, your choices when driving were either cassettes or eight-track tapes, if you didn't want to listen to the radio. I used to take a lot of long road trips when I first owned a car, and I installed a TEAC cassette deck with Jensen speakers, which was the best car system available at the time. Eight-track tape bit the big one, and it was on the way out even then. Not only were the tapes bulky (about the size of an average paperback book), but they would often change tracks right in the middle of a song! Even when I was 18, I knew better than to buy an eight-track player.
The radio was pretty bad then, too... My first girlfriend's father owned an ice cream plant here in the Bay Area, and she and I used to drive to remote places like Coalinga and San Juan Bautista in her father's '76 Chrysler New Yorker (with its massive trunk packed full of dry ice and cardboard cartons), to deliver specialty ice cream like spumoni to various restaurants. These were like, four-hour drives, each way.
Unfortunately for me, Debbie's musical taste ran to things like Three Dog Night, Jackson Browne, Elton John, and the Doobie Brothers, so she'd always put on the stations that played that stuff— along with "Smoke On The Water," umpteen million times.
Every now and then, she'd let me tune to the one jazz station in the area (KJAZ, which folded a long time ago), but the lyrics to "Smoke On the Water," "Joy To The World," "Rocket Man," and "China Grove" are forever imprinted in some remote, reptilian part of my brain. If she hadn't been such a hot little California blonde cheerleader-type babe, I'd never have forgiven her!
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BTW, Rob, if you've never heard Led Zep's "BBC Tapes," (available on CD) they're a lot more spontaneous than their regular studio work, and Jimmy Page in his prime was one of the greatest guitarists ever, no question.
Or maybe, No Quarter...!
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REO Speedwagon - these guys would fit nicely alongside Journey.
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Unfortunately for me, Debbie's musical taste ran to things like Three Dog Night, Jackson Browne, Elton John, and the Doobie Brothers, so she'd always put on the stations that played that stuff— along with "Smoke On The Water," umpteen million times.
My ex-wife's taste in music was, if anything, even more appalling. If I ever hear Barely Manenough's "Copacabana" one more time, I swear that I'll... [splat]
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Hey what about Aerosmith...especially their later stuff
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Hell yes on Aerosmith. Why do most Boston-area rock bands suck?
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Put me down for a "Hell yeah" on Fogelberg as well.
Nix on Deep Purple. Also Zeppelin.
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How about devoting some bandwidth to the early days of MTS? I'm thinking of performers like Guy Mitchell (a vapid pretty boy who predates even Bobby Sherman) and the Crew Cuts (the masters of really bad covers of great doo-wop and R&B). They call James Brown the Godfather of Soul (and his music definitely does not suck); how about the Godfather of Music That Sucks - you guessed it, Pat Boone!
And how much alum will you need to stick up your sphincter before you consider the case of one Mr. Kenneth Gorelick? >:D
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I'm for including Boston and The Osmond Brothers/Donny and Marie
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Genius: That is a very interesting idea you have, but my personal knowledge of acts from that era is practically non-existant. Perhaps Pilsner would be able to help me out on a project like that.
ant: Boston has been in the queque for as long as MTS has been running; as the pioneers of the Corporate Rock sound how couldn't they be? After doing Journey, Foreigner, Styx, etc. I had burned myself out on Corporate Rock and put Boston on the backburner. The Osmonds are also definate MTS material.
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I already made my suggestions on the old board, but I'll mention them again: Clear Channel >:( and Elvis.
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Elvis as whole is a definate "no way". I could focus on different aspects of Elvis' career, much like I did with the Paul McCartney A.B. induction.
Clear Channel is an interesting idea, especially after the whole Howard Stern fiasco.
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Genius: That is a very interesting idea you have, but my personal knowledge of acts from that era is practically non-existant. Perhaps Pilsner would be able to help me out on a project like that.
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Oh yeah, Jim, you could probably get several MTS entries out of all those hyped-up, payola-fueled, white-bread "rockers" that were around between Elvis's induction into the Army and the arrival of the Beatles.
Some names that come to mind (besides Pat Boone): Ricky (later Rick) Nelson, Dion, Frankie Valli, Frankie Avalon (still performing— he'll be here in S.F. later this month starring in "Grease," which deserves an MTS "tribute" of its own), Bobby Darin (subject of a new biopic... why?), and you could always throw in some lounge singers like Vic Damone, Perry Como, Andy Williams, Robert Goulet, and Tony Bennett...
But the lounge singers might be a separate category: suckiness beyond suckiness.
[sick]
Kudos on inducting the Captain and Toenail (as my friends and I always referred to them back in the day), they were long overdue. And you're right, they were never cool, at least not to the hip kids at my junior high... we were all listening to Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart, electric Miles Davis, and Led Zep!
Come to think of it, there's a musical combination that really would have clicked: "Captain Beefheart and Tennille." Unfortunately, though, we'll never get to hear her rendition of "Lick My Decals Off, Baby." What a missed opportunity!
As for Kenny G., he's definitely an MTS contender, and you can take that from someone who's heard most of the real modern jazz saxophonists perform live.
Rahsaan Roland Kirk or Joe Lovano or Steve Lacy, he ain't...
[no]
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HELL YEAH to inducting Franki Valli and The Four Seasons being inducted. I HATE that shit, and with the minor exceptions of some early Motown and The Beach Boys (and even they didn't start getting real good until the mid-60's), the era post-army Elvis and pre-Beatles pretty much bites the shriveled pickel.
Jim, obviously, this is your section, so do what you want, but one thing I don't agree with is not allowing somebody in if they don't have enough "hits." The reason why I say this is because hits are not the only way to measure am artist's success. Personally, I hate Phish and all that jam band stuff, and even though they may not be lighting up the Billboard charts, what they do have is a huge following which generates lots of concert ticket sales. Other shit artists may not have had hits, but were influential nonetheless. Just my two cents, take it or leave it.
Also, even though I have great affection for them, especially their 70's stuff, I'd be interested in seeing how you'd handle a Judas Priest induction.
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Unfortunately for me, Debbie's musical taste ran to things like Three Dog Night, Jackson Browne, Elton John, and the Doobie Brothers, so she'd always put on the stations that played that stuff— along with "Smoke On The Water," umpteen million times.
Every now and then, she'd let me tune to the one jazz station in the area (KJAZ, which folded a long time ago), but the lyrics to "Smoke On the Water," "Joy To The World," "Rocket Man," and "China Grove" are forever imprinted in some remote, reptilian part of my brain. If she hadn't been such a hot little California blonde cheerleader-type babe, I'd never have forgiven her!
...and I miss the days when AM radio actually played songs like that! Not only were they actual songs, but the acerage AM station would give you a great mix: you might get "Roundabout" (prog-rock), "Treat Her Like A Lady" (soul/r&b), "Alone Again Naturally" (pop-balladry), "Do It Again" (jazzy pop) AND a hard-rock tune like "Brown Sugar", all in a row, and all before the first commercial break.
There's nothing like that now. It's all compartmentalized niche-marketing (and satellite radio is gonna be more of the same - every style will be herded into its own Warsaw ghetto, and the atmization of American culture into a thousand splinters will grind on and on.)
When I was a kid, it's true that the line of demarcation was drawn between boy stuff (metal, prog, songs with really long solos) and girl stuf (pop, soul, ballads, bubblegum) but luckily, we were all exposed to everything pretty much, thus we have a point of reference that either justifies our original judgments or serves as a launching point to change your mind from. Sure, Elton John nauseates me today...but nobody put out better-crafted and more-memorable pop-rock than he did in his 70s prime. Same goes for the 'old' Doobies...maybe it's me, but they sound pretty good to me these days.
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Elton will never be inducted, his early stuff is great. I could do an "Elton John after the '70's" induction, but nahhh.
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Unfortunately for me, Debbie's musical taste ran to things like Three Dog Night, Jackson Browne, Elton John, and the Doobie Brothers, so she'd always put on the stations that played that stuff— along with "Smoke On The Water," umpteen million times.
...and I miss the days when AM radio actually played songs like that! Not only were they actual songs, but the acerage AM station would give you a great mix: you might get "Roundabout" (prog-rock), "Treat Her Like A Lady" (soul/r&b), "Alone Again Naturally" (pop-balladry), "Do It Again" (jazzy pop) AND a hard-rock tune like "Brown Sugar", all in a row, and all before the first commercial break.
There's nothing like that now. It's all compartmentalized niche-marketing (and satellite radio is gonna be more of the same - every style will be herded into its own Warsaw ghetto, and the atmization of American culture into a thousand splinters will grind on and on.)
When I was a kid, it's true that the line of demarcation was drawn between boy stuff (metal, prog, songs with really long solos) and girl stuf (pop, soul, ballads, bubblegum) but luckily, we were all exposed to everything pretty much, thus we have a point of reference that either justifies our original judgments or serves as a launching point to change your mind from. Sure, Elton John nauseates me today...but nobody put out better-crafted and more-memorable pop-rock than he did in his 70s prime. Same goes for the 'old' Doobies...maybe it's me, but they sound pretty good to me these days.
We definitely part company here taste-wise, sdj. I never liked any of that pop-rock (or bubblegum) stuff, even when it first came out; rock that has some testosterone quotient is all right by me, but I don't put the Doobies (or similar soft-rock bands like the Eagles) in that category.
Of course, my musical taste is well-known to anyone who's followed Pilsner's Picks, and even when I was 12, 13, 14 years old I was into the old-timey stuff. Back then, I used to wander around the thrift shops of the five N.Y.C. boroughs (thanks to the subway), hunting for 78's, and that's how I got started collecting music.
Never mind that 70's-80's pop sludge— give me a good, hot washboard band or a low-down Harlem stride piano solo any day of the week! Come to think of it, maybe I ought to disqualify myself from commenting on any popular music from after 1950 or so... or at least after 1963, the year I was born.
What's the difference? Musicianship, for one thing; take as an example "Hello, Lola" in the current Picks lineup. That's just a casual pickup jam session— the Mound City Blue Blowers hardly ever had the same members from one recording date to the next— but everyone involved plays their ass off!
[salame]
By the time I was growing up, you were more likely to hear lame bands with guitarists who never learned more than four or five sets of chord changes, drummers who could only play in 4/4 time and didn't know a press roll from a cinnamon roll, and "singers" like Neil Young who basically never knew what key they were in (and didn't care, either).
Jeez, I didn't mean to get up on my soapbox here, but I sure did!
[soapbox]
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I should charge you for all of those Pilsner's Pick's plugs.
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I should charge you for all of those Pilsner's Pick's plugs.
But I thought we were non-commercial, like National Public Radio (only a hell of a lot more entertaining!).
[whistle]
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I don't know Pilsner. To me, music's never been about how many chords one can play or how many notes one can cram into a 12 bar solo, or what time signature the band is in. Music is about what a song can do for me emotionally. Once I can enjoy a piece of music on an emotional level, then I try to pick it apart intellectually. Sometimes I find the music that's moving me is pure simplicity, and I then appreciate it for it's simplicity. Other times, I find little nuances that make each listening experience a new one, and yes, this happens to me a lot with rock music.
With jazz, I can understand the appeal intellectually. These are superior musicians who bust their asses for years to get to the level they are at skill wise. Yet on an emotional level, jazz, for the most part (I hope to find exceptions one of these days), does nothing for me. I think this is because I prefer structured music that focuses on songwriting as opposed to improvised music that focuses on instrumentalists (that's also why I don't like the "jam band" stuff like The Grateful Dead and Phish). Don't get me wrong, I love instrumental virtusosity, but within the confines of a well written song. Even with high brow forms of music, I prefer classical to jazz, just because of the superior compositional element involved.
When you talk about rock bands who can only play four or five chords, the first thing I have to say is that is not the case for a lot of rock bands, especially the more progressive minded ones. However, with the rock bands that do function in the four of five chord range, I think there is a lot to be said for musicians who can take what little they have and make something memorable out of it, or in my case, emotionally excite me. As far as I'm concerned, there is no greater feeling in the world than a simple open-E power chord blasting through my speakers.
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I think that any and all musical artists/groups/acts are fair game. Even the best musicians have made *something* that was crap, whether it was universally reviled, or just hated by one person.
Another suggestion- how about profiling "songs that suck," disecting individual tunes and not necessarily the entire body of work of an artist.
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Interesting comments, Doug, seeing as you're probably the most music-minded person on this board besides Jim and myself.
The best music is about both emotion and virtuosity, and yes, I'm hooked on the latter. Sometimes, the virtuosity can be overwhelming to people who aren't used to it, as with the astonishing jazz pianist Art Tatum (I'll get to him in a future Picks installment). He never seemed to know how to hold back on his dazzling technique, and he always barnstormed the keyboard, sounding like two or even three pianists playing at once. Some listeners— even some jazz fans— can't take this, and their objection to Tatum's style is, indeed, that he's more technical than emotional. I don't happen to agree with that, but it's a legitimate complaint.
On the other hand, there are "primitive" musicians, especially blues players and singers, who can really move me. Jimmy Yancey was at the opposite end of the technical scale from Tatum; he could only play in a couple of keys, but his earthy, barrelhouse piano style really gets me where I live. Same with the guitarist-singer Blind Blake; having been self-taught (and of course unable to read music), he developed a guitar style like no one else's, full of percussive effects and strange modulations.
Well, I guess these comments mean that an early blues segment is coming up soon... stay tuned.
[afro]
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Doug, I almost overlooked your comment on the "hits" rule. For the most part that rule is in place to keep one-hit wonders and the like out from being inducted. I feel that if I inducted someone like Iron Butterfly it would be too short and uninteresting. There are always exceptions to the rule (2 Live Crew ), so don't count out a Phish induction, or even a Grateful Dead induction.
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Rap - especially that piece of garbage that ruined "Crazy Train."
Remember - you can't spell CRAP without RAP.
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I think you mis-read the title of this forum. Its called music that sucks.
;)
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Hey guys,
It's great to see some intelligent newbies on the board and I hope that the two of you decide to post more often.
As for rap music as a whole, I cannot induct it blankly because there is some (and I am stressing that word it its fullest) rap music that doesn't suck. There will be alot of rap inductions (Puff Daddy/P. Diddy, whatever he calls himself for one) in the future however.
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Just curious to see what kind of responses are elicted by suggesting Steely Dan. It would be interesting to see the range of reactions - either revered or loathing.
I grew up hearing their hits on the radio and didn't care much one way or the other until I picked up a used copy of the double-CD 'The Story of Steely Dan' on a whim. Now I'm becoming hooked, or maybe just brainwashed.
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Add these:
Styx
Menudo
Jet (...yoooou go it allll over himmmm you must hve been heaaven seeent...BLECH)
Lisa Lisa and Cult Jam
Creed -- every song sounds alike...
Stacey "somebody feed me" Q
Any "musical artist" with an initial in their name
Starland Vocal Band
J-Lo (I didn't read thru this thread, but if she's not nominated, she is now...hehehe)
The Osmonds
The Partridge Family
Pink Lady -- THREE minutes of fame in the Seventies...add "JEFF" and they get three and a half. I'f you've never heard of Pink Lady, google them if you dare.
Rupert Holmes
The Bangles
Warrant
Mary J. Blige
The Ramones
Mariah Carey - If I hear One Sweet Day at another wake, I'll scream until they take me away. She sounds like a fire engine in heat.
Yoko Ono
Firefall
Frankie Goes To Hollywood
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Steely Dan: Nuh-uh. At first I hated Steely Dan, but in time they grew on me.
Styx: Already inducted (MTS #12).
Menudo: A possibility
Jet: One-hit Wonder
Lisa Lisa and Cult Jam: One-hit Wonder
Creed: In the queque
Stacey Q: One-hit Wonder
Starland Vocal Band: One-hit Wonder
J-Lo: A possibility
The Osmonds: In the queque
Partridge Family: A possibility, as a special induction
Pink Lady: One-hit Wonder
Rupert Holmes: One-hit Wonder
The Bangles: A possibility, if I could flesh it out
Warrant: One-hit Wonder
Mary J. Blige: A possibility
The Ramones: A possibility (intriguing)
Yoko Ono: The Ed Wood of Rock: In the queque as a special induction (she did not have a hit)
Firefall: One-hit Wonder
Frankie Goes To Hollywood: One-hit Wonder
I cannot do one-hit wonders because the inductions would be too short.
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Steely Dan: Nuh-uh. At first I hated Steely Dan, but in time they grew on me.
"So do warts!"
I couldn't resist that.
I'll second the nomination of the Ramones... what band ever went so far on so little talent? Of course, you have to keep in mind that Joey Ramone recently had a street in Manhattan named after him— which in a strange way puts him in the same league as Duke Ellington, who was given the same honor many years ago.
But Joey Ramone is not, not, not in the same league as the Duke, not by a million billion miles!!!
>:(
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You positively MUST include...Mariah Carey. C'mon. That's a given.
I can't see what's the fascination with her at all.
And do consider...
Bobby Brown WTF is this guy doing in the industry? He's had one lukewarm "hit" and that's all -- is he paying people to stay in the industry? All he's doing in essence is taking up air....
And what about Geddy Lee? In exactly what key is that voice he's singing in?
And I can name a whole slew of Eighties crap that should be nominated or considered:
Lita Ford
The Runaways
Mary Jane Girls
Vanity 6
Vanity
DeBarge
They Might Be Giants
Oingo Boingo
Ultravox
Run DMC
Beastie Boys
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Add these:
Styx
Menudo
Jet (...yoooou go it allll over himmmm you must hve been heaaven seeent...BLECH)
Lisa Lisa and Cult Jam
Creed -- every song sounds alike...
Stacey "somebody feed me" Q
Any "musical artist" with an initial in their name
Starland Vocal Band
J-Lo (I didn't read thru this thread, but if she's not nominated, she is now...hehehe)
The Osmonds
The Partridge Family
Pink Lady -- THREE minutes of fame in the Seventies...add "JEFF" and they get three and a half. I'f you've never heard of Pink Lady, google them if you dare.
Rupert Holmes
The Bangles
Warrant
Mary J. Blige
The Ramones
Mariah Carey - If I hear One Sweet Day at another wake, I'll scream until they take me away. She sounds like a fire engine in heat.
Yoko Ono
Firefall
Frankie Goes To Hollywood
Idk about you guys but Renegade by Styx is one of the best songs out there. If you havnt listened to it then listen to it then say what you want about Styx. Jet is pretty cool too. I like some of that non hard rock. not a rap fan tho.
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My suggestion is more MTS threads! It's been awhile, Jim, and they're entertaining. What's your opinion on The Beach Boys? I've really grown into them, but they seem to draw diverse opinions. I would also love to see a Judas Priest or Dio (I know Dio wasn't a "hit guy," but he's had a long career with three great bands, is hugely influential in his genre, and has a loyal following), thread, even if I am a fan. I get perverse pleasure out of reading these entries on artists I actually like, just because it's easier to laugh at.
As far as Geddy Lee, say what you will about his voice or Rush, but that band is loaded with talent. As a bass player myself, I bow to the man. Still, I'm only a casual Rush fan.
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Well I've been quite busy the past half-a-year or so, and when I've had time to myself I haven't wanted to spend it on MTS. With the semester starting this coming week (at a new school, no less) I still won't have alot of time. However, I should have the newest inductee up later today, after I get some sleep. It's an induction that has been in the "queque" for a long time.
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This may fall under the "one-hit-wonder" disclaimer rule, but ....
How about Chuck Mangione and his weak jazz trumpet offering of "Feels So Good" from the 1970's?
I mention it because in this web interview, http://www.thecelebritycafe.com/interviews/chuck_mangione.html, Chuck describes how he earned a cameo role on the TV show "King of the Hill".
(maybe if you throw in "Music Box Dancer" by Frank Mills .... hhmmm)
Say, ... perhaps you could string 3 or 4 one-hitters together in a new "One-Suck Hitter" thread?
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Chuck describes how he earned a cameo role on the TV show "King of the Hill"
I don't particularly care for King of the Hill, and don't watch it as regularly as I do the Simpsons and South Park, but I saw that episode and it was pretty funny. They poked fun at Mangione quite a bit throughout the episode!
Say, ... perhaps you could string 3 or 4 one-hitters together in a new "One-Suck Hitter" thread?
[rotflmao]
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Bette Midler .... GAG
here's what I DO whenever I'm in a mall, or other public place and hear that retch-inducing song float over the PA system: I sing along using these replacement words:
Did you ever know that you're my zero?
You're everything I wish I could flee.
I could fly higher without you near-o ...
You are the wind beneath my jeans.
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I nominate disco as an inductee to the MTS Gallery. Not the early heavy on the funk music of the early 70's, but the watered down, drum machine, electronics, the repetitive dum dum dum dum dum, that steady single beat, by groups that began in the mid-70's and then skyrocketed with the release of Saturday Night Fever. All who know the history of US popular music of the 20th century agree that disco is the low point of muisc, by far.The only redeeming value of disco 1976 to 1981 more or less, is that as an alternative to the sugary disco scene, youngsters in the South Bronx created hip-hop. Don't be confused with the rap of today, rap and hip hop are related but not the same.
Bringin' da noyze, yeah boyeeeeeeeee
S F
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What about the "The Greatful Dead"you need to be on drugs to enjoy this stuff!
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not to mention Black Sabbath.
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How about Sweet?
They had a string of hits in the 70s (ie. Ballroom Blitz, Fox on the Run) amongst others like Little Willy and Wig Wam Bam. It's one of those groups that seemed to change styles with every album, then they were all but forgotten. I think their last hit was Love Like Oxygen from 1978.
This is one of those bands that are a guilty pleasure for me. I enjoy some of their stuff a lot, other songs I can't listen to the whole way through.
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oh no.....not Pearl Jam
here's a few to get your head around -
Tina Turner
Justin Timberlake
Snoop Dod
Ice Cube
PtSlice
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make that Snoop Doggy Dog
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oh no.....not Pearl Jam
BIG yes on Pearl Jam!
I worked at a used record store when Cobain offed himself. Big deal, they had one album! Fukkin' kids in the marching band I taught were running in the woods and crying, like he was John Lennon!
Many people have tried to explain to me how great he was and blah, blah. That was when I officially became not with it anymore, 1994, when I was 24.
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How about Sweet?
I think their last hit was Love Like Oxygen from 1978.
Oh, yeaaah! Forgot about that one!
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BIG yes on Pearl Jam!
I worked at a used record store when Cobain offed himself. Big deal, they had one album! Fukkin' kids in the marching band I taught were running in the woods and crying, like he was John Lennon!
Many people have tried to explain to me how great he was and blah, blah. That was when I officially became not with it anymore, 1994, when I was 24.
You're confusing Pearl Jam with Nirvana. Pearl Jam is the group with the lead singer who lathered up Neil Young's nuts on a constant basis. Pearl Jam is a yes.
I do agree that too much was made of Cobain however. First, it was his choice to die whereas it was not Lennon's choice. Secondly he has nowhere near the canon that Lennon does. I think time has shown that perhaps people were a little too hasty in proclaiming Cobain a musical deity. I will say however that I do like Nirvana and the musical movement that he helped spearhead was really the last real rock movement. Try listening to some of what passes for rock music today and you'll come to appreciate Grunge as I have (I was in high school when all that was going on and not into it...more into the Beatles/60's-70's music resurgence of the time).
I like Sweet! They had some killer songs, and I can always just rock the fuck out Ballroom Blitz. Little Willy is a clunker though.
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oh no.....not Pearl Jam
here's a few to get your head around -
Tina Turner
Justin Timberlake
Snoop Dod
Ice Cube
PtSlice
Tina Turner - No
Timberlake - Yes at some point
Snoop Dogg - One of the most interesting and best suggestions I've gotten...definite yes
Ice Cube - No...but could tie in to the Snoop Dogg induction is the idea in my head right now pans out
An update on Kid Rock...I had an induction about 95% finished and foolishly went to bed without saving it...just leaving it open. Vista then decided it wanted to update so now I have to get around to writing it again.
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You're confusing Pearl Jam with Nirvana.
Oh, God Damnit!
Pearl Jam was actually the last 'new' band I liked!!!!
I'm going back to bed and starting over...... [offheair]
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Oh, God Damnit!
Pearl Jam was actually the last 'new' band I liked!!!!
I'm going back to bed and starting over...... [offheair]
Don't worry, it happens to all of us as we age :P.
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Oh, God Damnit!
Pearl Jam was actually the last 'new' band I liked!!!!
I'm going back to bed and starting over...... [offheair]
My brother and my friends from when I was a teenager still listen to newer stuff like Killswitch Engage and All That Remains, but I too am fitting the stereotype of not liking newer bands. Perhaps I'm "normal" and they're "strange."
As for grunge, I just bought (downloaded) my first Nirvana album ever, the unplugged one, a few months ago. It's pretty damn good. My initial problem with the grunge movement was at the time, I was learning to play bass and everybody had this punk aesthetic against being good at your instrument. Today, I recognize that Cobain was a better songwrite than Johnny Rotten and appreciate him for what he was instead of what he wasn't. I also understand that Guns n' Roses and and Metallica aside, the late 80's and early 90's were a shitty time for mainstream American music and I can see how the grunge scene was needed.
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My brother and my friends from when I was a teenager still listen to newer stuff like Killswitch Engage and All That Remains, but I too am fitting the stereotype of not liking newer bands. Perhaps I'm "normal" and they're "strange."
As for grunge, I just bought (downloaded) my first Nirvana album ever, the unplugged one, a few months ago. It's pretty damn good. My initial problem with the grunge movement was at the time, I was learning to play bass and everybody had this punk aesthetic against being good at your instrument. Today, I recognize that Cobain was a better songwrite than Johnny Rotten and appreciate him for what he was instead of what he wasn't. I also understand that Guns n' Roses and and Metallica aside, the late 80's and early 90's were a shitty time for mainstream American music and I can see how the grunge scene was needed.
Isn't that weird how we can look back on something like the Grunge scene now and like it but hate it when it was going down? I love groups like Nirvana, Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins etc...but for some reason couldn't stand them as a teen.
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Isn't that weird how we can look back on something like the Grunge scene now and like it but hate it when it was going down? I love groups like Nirvana, Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins etc...but for some reason couldn't stand them as a teen.
I agree. The thing was so much other music I genuinely did like was wrongly (in my eyes) deemed out of date that I just rebelled against that scene (though the Warrants and Poisons of the world got their just desserts). Teenagers are fickle anyway. I was too close minded to see the merits of the current scene while the majority of other kids were too close minded to see the merits of anyone not wearing flannel and playing downtuned guitars. The majority of scenes have good and bad artists.
I did get into Oasis back in the day, thinking they were the closest thing to a modern day Beatles. Now I understand that's not true, as they were closer to The Kinks. Two fighting brothers, one the head songwriter, the other a lead guitarist, fighting all the time playing Brit-pop. Hmmmm.
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Another observation - you notice the way just about zero of the rap/hip-hop acts have any kind of longevity? If they do, it's only because they become martyrs after their young deaths (Tupac, Biggie). As critically acclaimed as they are, I see no young kids getting into Run D.M.C., N.W.A., or Public Enemy, and they'd all look at you like you're nuts if you ask if they're "down with O.P.P." The genre continues to thrive culturally (for better or worse), but amongst the fan base, there's literally no sense of history. I have yet to stumble upon a classic hip-hop station.
One more note: if rappers do have long careers, they have to branch out into other forms of entertainment. See Ice Cube, Snoop Dog, Will Smith.
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Another observation - you notice the way just about zero of the rap/hip-hop acts have any kind of longevity? If they do, it's only because they become martyrs after their young deaths (Tupac, Biggie). As critically acclaimed as they are, I see no young kids getting into Run D.M.C., N.W.A., or Public Enemy, and they'd all look at you like you're nuts if you ask if they're "down with O.P.P." The genre continues to thrive culturally (for better or worse), but amongst the fan base, there's literally no sense of history. I have yet to stumble upon a classic hip-hop station.
One more note: if rappers do have long careers, they have to branch out into other forms of entertainment. See Ice Cube, Snoop Dog, Will Smith.
That kind of touches upon my idea for the Snoop Dogg induction. I was into gangsta rap in the early to mid 90's and still like to occasionally listen to such acts as N.W.A./Eazy-E/Ice Cube, Run-DMC, B.D.P. etc but once Snoop Dogg came to prominence I bowed out. I'll get more in-depth into that in my Snoop Dogg induction. By the time Tupac and Biggie came on the scene I had already moved on.
You're absolutely right about there not being a true sense of history in hip-hop. I believe part of it is the constant race for something new and to stay ahead of the curve; all genre's of music suffer from this but in rap it's major. A song from two years ago is considered ancient, and with such a lack of understanding and appreciation of the roots of rap music in general it's harder for the genre to be legitimized.
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Snoop Dog is currently over here in Melbourne for the Cup and some shows at Rod Laver Arena
He is one ordinary unit - could you take him back and cancel his passport
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Elton will never be inducted, his early stuff is great. I could do an "Elton John after the '70's" induction, but nahhh.
That Elton is a hell of a piano player, but he really sucks on the organ!
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Whew! I'm glad Elton John won't be talked about on this board. Sure, he may be gay, but I think he has a lot of great music.
Maybe a good artist to add would be Prince. Ugh! His music is awful.
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Whew! I'm glad Elton John won't be talked about on this board. Sure, he may be gay, but I think he has a lot of great music.
Maybe a good artist to add would be Prince. Ugh! His music is awful.
Aww, come on X. Don't you want to purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka? [rotflmao]
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Funny Stuff Beri. We are the same age! Never liked the grunge. Didn't get it, still don't. I was working on the road when Cobain rubbed himself out, and never heard about it. Friday night I entered my favorite watering hole. My buddy has this weird grin on his face and he says: "He did it! He offed himself!" And I'm like: "Who?" And then he tells me. Never seen someone that excited over a suicide.
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Since you've mentioned it, I was already thinking about doing something like that (jump the shark type deal), but with a much bigger name than Aerosmith. As for Tyler and Co., they might merit a full induction as I only like one song of theirs. The rest is shit.
If you're planning to do a "jump the shark" bit, then you have to have post-70s Foreigner and Chicago in there. As for artists who need to be inducted, you have to have EMINEM. He is absolutely the worst. Kanye West deserves induction, as well.
Personally, though, I don't get the need to spend so much time on artists one hates. Why not start a thread for artists who are underrated? I find it's always more enjoyable to talk about something you actually like. Plus, you have the chance of turning someone on to a new artist or style of music. Why not give that a thought, Shemps#1. Hmmm?
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If you're planning to do a "jump the shark" bit, then you have to have post-70s Foreigner and Chicago in there. As for artists who need to be inducted, you have to have EMINEM. He is absolutely the worst. Kanye West deserves induction, as well.
Personally, though, I don't get the need to spend so much time on artists one hates. Why not start a thread for artists who are underrated? I find it's always more enjoyable to talk about something you actually like. Plus, you have the chance of turning someone on to a new artist or style of music. Why not give that a thought, Shemps#1. Hmmm?
:::throws my hands up in the air and walks away while shaking my head:::
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If you're planning to do a "jump the shark" bit, then you have to have post-70s Foreigner and Chicago in there. As for artists who need to be inducted, you have to have EMINEM. He is absolutely the worst. Kanye West deserves induction, as well.
Personally, though, I don't get the need to spend so much time on artists one hates. Why not start a thread for artists who are underrated? I find it's always more enjoyable to talk about something you actually like. Plus, you have the chance of turning someone on to a new artist or style of music. Why not give that a thought, Shemps#1. Hmmm?
80's Foreigner. "I Want To Know What Love Is" is arguably my most hated song ever. Arguably. In reality, I don't like any Foreigner, but that song takes the cake.
Still, suggesting to Jim on his board to stop focusing on the negative because you like the positive is the equivalent of going up to the owner of a gay bar and saying, "I prefer women, so this place needs more women." The name on the bill says "sucks," so expect diatribes on crap.
That said, I have for some time thought the idea of something more positive would be cool...in a different section. I'd want to expand it beyond music, even allowing Stooge stuff to creep in, but I'd have to talk to Rob about it first.
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You do make a reasonable point, Metaldams. A companion section may be in order, if for no other reason than to compliment this one. For so long we've read about what Shemps#1 doesen't like. I'd enjoy reading about bands, new and older, that he does appreciate. If the world is so full of crap, then why not direct people to some good stuff. Personally, I actually like a large number of the artists which have been trashed here, especially Paul McCartney and the Monkees. But, that's neither here-nor-there.
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You do make a reasonable point, Metaldams. A companion section may be in order, if for no other reason than to compliment this one. For so long we've read about what Shemps#1 doesen't like. I'd enjoy reading about bands, new and older, that he does appreciate. If the world is so full of crap, then why not direct people to some good stuff. Personally, I actually like a large number of the artists which have been trashed here, especially Paul McCartney and the Monkees. But, that's neither here-nor-there.
The mere fact that you are asking me to write about bands that like proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that (and I mean this respectfully Hammond so please don't misconstrue this) you just don't get it. We've been on this and other Stooges boards for years, and I know you have this Neo-Hippie "accentuate the positive" attitude towards life that quite frankly most people do not share. MTS is about me sharing my opinions on bands that I do not like in a (hopefully) humorous way. These are in no way meant to be professional reviews to be taken seriously.
Why do I do it? For my LOVE of music. I love music so much that when I hear awful music it pains me. When I hear something that is extremely painful to listen to (like the Monkees) I have to vent, and that way is through humor. Would the late, great George Carlin have been so funny if he focused on topics that made him warm and fuzzy inside? No. Would Lenny Bruce be remembered to this day if he played it safe and only talked about good things? No. Would Edgar Allen Poe be remembered if he wrote about a Super Fun Land with gumdrops and rainbow farts? No.
I could write an article about how wonderful John Lennon is, and it would be a lot less interesting than me ripping apart Paul McCartney for his saccharine pop. Doug asked me for a list of artists/bands that I like and I gave him an incomplete one. You can find it in the Journey thread where that tool wigged out because I don't think Eric Johnson walks on water. What I refuse to do is write a positive review for every negative one, because that's not in the spirit of the board.
By the way, Foreigner has already been inducted (#15), for of their shitty Corporate Rock music...70's included.
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Ya know, somehow I just knew that rainbow farts were going to come into this discussion at some point. [fart]
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Personally, I actually like a large number of the artists which have been trashed here, especially Paul McCartney and the Monkees.
You do? Well I feel sorry for you. Nah, I'm only kidding. ;D
I, too, like many of the artists that are listed on this MTS forum. But what Shemps#1 is doing is talking about several artists that he feels are overrated. It's his opinion and shouldn't be taken as fact. I'm sure there are many music he likes that you don't.
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guns n roses-- "nya nya nya sweet child o mine"
"nya nya nya nyakin on heavens door"
"nya nya nya (guitar solo) nya nya"
I just did a whole album.
edit: Bonus Track! "nya nya nya live and let die"
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You guys have my apology. I didn't mean to rain on anyone's parade. This is obviously a popular forum, or Shemps#1 wouldn't still be doing it. Oh, well. I was just throwing out a suggestion. Take it or leave it. If Shemps#1 is entitled to his opinion then I can certainly have mine. That said, I don't see how using terms such as "asswipes" adds aything of value to the presentation of your opinion. MST3K showed how one can tear apart a piece of work, be funny and not have to be obnoxious or crude. Again, I'm not saying your opinion is wrong. I appreciate how much thought you put into each essay, and the background you add. I just know that the tone does nothing for me, personally. Let's just let bygones be bygones. We'll agree to disagree. If others enjoy it, then by all means, keep at it. As always, I wish you and every other regular here, the best of luck in all endevours, including this one.
Look, if I was totally agaisnt this thread and its concept, would I have suggested both Eminem and Kanye West for induction? Kanye's ego alone warrents him an induction. Please consider them for the que, Shemps#1. Thanks.
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You guys have my apology. I didn't mean to rain on anyone's parade. This is obviously a popular forum, or Shemps#1 wouldn't still be doing it. Oh, well. I was just throwing out a suggestion. Take it or leave it. If Shemps#1 is entitled to his opinion then I can certainly have mine. That said, I don't see how using terms such as "asswipes" adds aything of value to the presentation of your opinion. MST3K showed how one can tear apart a piece of work, be funny and not have to be obnoxious or crude. Again, I'm not saying your opinion is wrong. I appreciate how much thought you put into each essay, and the background you add. I just know that the tone does nothing for me, personally. Let's just let bygones be bygones. We'll agree to disagree. If others enjoy it, then by all means, keep at it. As always, I wish you and every other regular here, the best of luck in all endevours, including this one.
Look, if I was totally agaisnt this thread and its concept, would I have suggested both Eminem and Kanye West for induction? Kanye's ego alone warrents him an induction. Please consider them for the que, Shemps#1. Thanks.
Unfortunately for you, Hammond, I am not the first person nor am I the only person to be "obnoxious or crude". In fact, what you consider to be "obnoxious or crude" others consider to be funny. If the mere usage of curse words constitutes "obnoxious or crude" then everyone is "obnoxious or crude" at some point in their lives: yourself included.
I work blue, Ham: if you don't like it no one is forcing you to read anything I write. ::)
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Point taken, Shemps#1. It's obvious neither one is going to change the other's mind. So, let's just move on. Again, I apologize for stirring things up. I certainly didn't mean to upset anyone. I would also like to add how much respect I have for you as a Stooges fan. Your knoweldge of and loyalty to the boys is impressive. As far as I'm concerned, you're alright in my book. Please don't take anything written previously as an attack on you personally. You do your thing, and I'll do mine. Hopefully, our paths will cross from time-to-time in the various Stooges boards. ;)
As for the suggestion that you start a thread about music you do like, that was meant more as a compliment. You seem very passionate about music. With your talent for writing, I just thought it would make for an interesting read, and a nice compliment to MTS. That's all.
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We direly need to add to Music That Sucks...
Each and every stupid one-name dumb no talent shitty "girl singer."
Lump 'em together: Rhianna, Fergie, Shakira, Beyonce, Madonna, Ciara, Aaliyah.
And that's to name a few of them..
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We direly need to add to Music That Sucks...
Each and every stupid one-name dumb no talent shitty "girl singer."
Lump 'em together: Rhianna, Fergie, Shakira, Beyonce, Madonna, Ciara, Aaliyah.
And that's to name a few of them..
Shakira? No talent? I'd like to see you dance like her. ;)
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I dance like that, when my son stomps on my foot...... ;D
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"The Safety Dance" (Men Without Hats)
"Everybody Have Fun Tonight," which, in my book, rankles ME as much as that Foreigner track "I wanna know what love is" rankles HIM (Wang Chung)
Come to think of it, though, I really DO hate that Foreigner track...Nyuk-nyuk-YUCK!
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We direly need to add to Music That Sucks...
Each and every stupid one-name dumb no talent shitty "girl singer."
Lump 'em together: Rhianna, Fergie, Shakira, Beyonce, Madonna, Ciara, Aaliyah.
And that's to name a few of them..
Don't forget J.Lo and *shudder* Britney...
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Don't forget J.Lo and *shudder* Britney...
Britney?? Every night when I get home, there's nothing better than popping in a Britney CD in my CD player and listening to "Oops I did it again." I crank my stereo all the way up. It just makes my day.
Only joking!! Don't take me serious. ;D
But yeah, I agree. Britney should definitely be a part of this MTS forum.
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Britney?? Every night when I get home, there's nothing better than popping in a Britney CD in my CD player and listening to "Oops I did it again." I crank my stereo all the way up. It just makes my day.
Only joking!! Don't take me serious. ;D
But yeah, I agree. Britney should definitely be a part of this MTS forum.
OMG....I fell over, when I read the first part of this post! (CLANK!)
:laugh:
In a related story, there's some dope two houses down that plays "Eye Of The Tiger" at 8am sharp, every morning. We call him "The Bugler." :laugh:
Post-script -- I'm out at LAX about a year ago, picking up my in-laws from a red-eye trip back from Utah, when, lo and behold, i'm sittin' in the waiting area with Sylvester Stallone and one of his 'dudes.' I asked him if there was anything he could do about "The Bugler," and he told me that he gets the shakes every time he hears that track, and, if he lived in my neighborhood, he would have paid "The Bugler" a visit.... :D
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How about real crappy music like Britney spears, Miley Cyrus, any rap musician, paula abdul, and fantasia.
More suggestions:
Johnny Cash
Nirvana
Smashing Pumpkins
Run DMC
David Bowie
Madonna
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You need to get some more stuff in here!
Shania Twain
Celine Dion
Loverboy (or did you do them?)
Yes, I have a hate-on for that abysmal talent from across the border.
Nickleback
creed
Lots & lots
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I'm late in contributing to this, I know. Do novelty songs count in this thread? How about music which is from genres other than popular?
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Has anyone mentioned Linda Ronstadt? She has taken many a classic song and destroyed it.
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can Shemps#1 revive this thread?
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Can we get a revival Shemps#1? This was a great board......just saying.
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Never say never.