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New look at Thelma Todd death

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Offline falsealarms

A new video from BuzzFeed looks at the death of Thelma Todd: https://youtu.be/ukNXdJTtU4g

It has almost two million views in the first two days since it was posted.


Offline metaldams

....and out of the two million viewers, I wonder what percentage have actually seen her work.  Judging by the comment section, not many.
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline falsealarms

....and out of the two million viewers, I wonder what percentage have actually seen her work.  Judging by the comment section, not many.

When you have the audience BuzzFeed has, perhaps the views aren't surprising. But then again, how many people outside of film buffs know about Thelma Todd?


Offline metaldams

When you have the audience BuzzFeed has, perhaps the views aren't surprising. But then again, how many people outside of film buffs know about Thelma Todd?

Film buffs and......gruesome unsolved murder mystery fans.  The latter far outnumber the former, sadly for Thelma’s legacy.

I know a lot of people are into that kind of thing, to each their own.  If of those two million people, a few discover her film work - great.  I just think it’s sad her death draws more fascination than not only her body of work, but anybody’s body of work from her era.

I’m reviewing SHOW BUSINESS this summer.  If the view counts are unusually high, we’ll know why.   [pie]
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline NoahYoung

I haven't watched the video. What's the verdict? You can save me 25 minutes of my life. I've read "Hot Toddy", by Andy Edmonds. While it's main focus is solving the mystery of her death, there is a lot of information about her. What I don't buy are quotes from people supposedly said during her lifetime. Edmonds makes it sound like she was a fly on the wall.

Thumbing through the book right now, I don't see a bibliography, and I don't remember her identifying her sources, other than to say things like "Mr. X said", or "Thelma said", etc. I don't remember her verdict, but as usual it speculates more than gives a definitive answer. I mean, after all,  that was 1935 (the book was written in 1989), and there are no longer people to talk to. 

The book was made into a TV movie with Lonnie Anderson, a terrible case of mis-casting. Nothing against Lonnie, but she does not resemble Thelma at all. If they were to do it today, I would want Kaley Cuoco to play her. If someone has the desire to do it, they should move fast since Kaley is already 36. Thelma was 29 when she died. I think Kaley could pull it off. They have somewhat similar features, and Kaley can do comedy, obviously. I wouldn't want the entire focus of the movie to be on her death. I would definitely want some recreation of comedy scenes from her movies. In fact, perhaps only mention her untimely death as one of those after-the-movie on screen explanations. But none of that will probably happen.
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline NoahYoung

I saw this youtube video recently, that gave the best explanation yet. And it passes the "Occam's Razor" test.

Her boyfriend, Roland West, confessed to policeman that it was an accident. He locked her out of the apartment when she returned late from a party, and then when she went to the garage, he ran and locked the garage door, but he didn't realize she was so drunk that she would keep the car motor on.

The police went to Hal Roach, told him what happened, and Roach convinced them to cover it up, since the big-wigs in Hollywood had a lot of police influence. Roach basically said West would wind up getting the best lawyers, and would never be convicted anyway.

Roach kept his mouth shut, but told someone this in an interview much later, around 1982.




https://www.marvinjwolf.com/blog/thelma-todds-death-solved
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West went into her apartment and locked her out. He was going to teach her a lesson. "Apparently when Todd returned at almost 4 a.m., she declined her chauffeur's offer to walk her upstairs because she knew there would be a scene with West. When she found the door locked, she shouted at him, and they had another argument through the door. West told her he didn't want her going to so many parties. Todd, still a bit drunk, screamed that she'd go to any party she pleased. She was invited to one later that day, at Mrs. Wallace Ford's, and she said she'd just go to that party now." According to Roach, she climbed the steps to the garage. West followed. When he arrived she was already in her car. She started the engine, and he ran around and locked the garage door. "He wasn't thinking about carbon monoxide, just about teaching her a lesson about who was the boss. So he left and went back to bed," says Roach. After daylight West returned to the garage to find Todd's body. "He didn't know what to do," says Roach. "So he did nothing. He closed the door — but didn't lock it — and went back to the cafe. All that day, when people called for Thelma, he said he didn't know where she was. If he really hadn't known where she was, he would have been calling all over trying to find her. That's the kind of man he was."

Occam's razor -- this is a simple explanation of the "accidental" murder that explains away everything, including why the investigation was never pursued further over the years.

But...it took until 1982 for Roach to "confess" to a cover-up, and another 40+ years for the people he confessed to to go public? Although that link was written in 2018, and references an article from 1987, which is strange.
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline ChrisBungoStudios

....and out of the two million viewers, I wonder what percentage have actually seen her work.  Judging by the comment section, not many.

Sadly, I have to agree with you. I wish there was some way to get the "younger generations" to embrace these classic old films, actors and actresses.


Offline NoahYoung

Sadly, I have to agree with you. I wish there was some way to get the "younger generations" to embrace these classic old films, actors and actresses.

As I mentioned in another thread recently, we were force-fed the classics since there were so few channels available on TV -- a small fraction of the choices available today.

It's hard enough to get the kids' heads out of their cell phones for 2 hours to watch any movie!
And by "kids" I mean anyone younger than me!

Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline ChrisBungoStudios

As I mentioned in another thread recently, we were force-fed the classics since there were so few channels available on TV -- a small fraction of the choices available today.

It's hard enough to get the kids' heads out of their cell phones for 2 hours to watch any movie!
And by "kids" I mean anyone younger than me!

Based on the stats for my videos, MOST people under the age of 45 will spend THREE seconds or less watching. Think about that. How do you get through to them in just 3 seconds?


Offline NoahYoung

Based on the stats for my videos, MOST people under the age of 45 will spend THREE seconds or less watching. Think about that. How do you get through to them in just 3 seconds?

Different generations have never, and will never, understand each other!
 :P
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz