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Offline metaldams

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      Well, we made it to another week!  ANIMAL CRACKERS would be the second Marx Brothers film and also the second and final of the Paramount films to be based on one of their stage plays.  Though only made one year after THE COCOANUTS, the sound quality and overall pacing just seems much better to me.  Now I don't know how much of this has to do with the actual restorations of the films themselves, but in general, the quality of film was moving at a fast pace in these early talkie years, and watching the Marx Brothers Paramount films in order serves as a wonderful example of this.  At this point we are still pretty stage bound camera wise, the Marx Brothers don't really go Hollywood until their next film both location and film wise, but ANIMAL CRACKERS nicely closes out what I consider to be the first phase of Marx films - the east coast stage phase.

      The first fifteen minutes of this film are to this point the greatest fifteen minutes in all Marxdom.  It's a perfectly conceived stage musical number that manages to introduce several of the main characters in a completely entertaining fashion.  We get the classic "Hello, I Must Be Going" and "Hooray for Captain Spaulding" musical numbers to introduce Groucho.  Truly an iconic Marx moment and all time Groucho signature.  These kind of fun musical numbers will be appearing in the Paramount's from now on and will, with one exception, be completely missed in the MGM films.  The classic fifteen minute opening manages to introduce Chico and Harpo as well.  I love the way Harpo clears out the room in the end, shooting everything in sight and also starts the running gag where he chases the pretty blonde throughout the film.  All those people begin, and in the end, Harpo is the final one standing.

      Chico is great in this as usual.  His piano solo is a lot of fun, and I think it's great the way they manage to throw in some comic interaction with his brother during the bit.  I also love the scene towards the end of the film where Chico and Groucho are sitting at the table talking.  It starts out with Chico being a detective, well, trying to be, and he goes off with Groucho on some crazy tangent, only to forget about the detective work they were talking about in the first place towards the end.  Groucho's bewilderment is hysterical, it's as if Groucho is almost the straight man to Chico.  A fantastic scene.

      Harpo is wonderful as well.  The previously mentioned running gag where he chases the blonde throughout the film is a favorite of mine, and I love the way this gets incorporated into the film's final gag.  Also, for a mute comedian, Harpo does get to inject verbal humor regularly with Chico.  Dig the scene where Chico is asking Harpo for the "flash."  Through props, Harpo misinterprets Chico's thick accent and pulls out a fish, a flask, a royal flush of cards, and other items before getting it right.  Love the harp solo as usual.  He plays fantastic runs at parts, harmonizes chords beneath his whistling, and does some nice melodic playing with one hand and harmonizing with the other at various points.  A great talent, and I've never understood the objection to either of the brothers soloing.  It's usually not comedy, but I consider it a welcome part of their characters.

      Groucho slays me in the in the scene when he's trying to convince the two ladies to BOTH marry him.  "That's bigamy!"  "Why, that's big of me too!"  Classic.  I also love the way Groucho breaks the fourth wall and talks to the audience in this one.  The part where he tells the audience they don't have to stay during Chico's solo has always been a favorite of mine.

      As for Zeppo, at least he does a nice job as the straight man in the dictation scene.  I've always been amazed the man was given so little to do and can understand his desire to leave the team.  Margaret Dumont, who is as hammy and glorious here as she usually is, thank Gummo, usually has more to do than Zeppo. I think he will be used best in the next two films, which is as a Marxian (What do you want me to say, Marxist?), romantic lead, which is a Hell of a lot better than a standard one.  The guy in this one looks to be all of fifteen, even though I know he was older, but my God some of these guys look juvenile.  I wonder if this whole romantic couple thing is something I just don't get because of the age I am, but then again, I like most other things about these movies.  Well, there's only one musical number not in keeping of the spirit of the comedy, and I guess it's pleasant enough for what it is.

      Overall, a very entertaining movie.  My four favorite Marx Brothers movies, though, are the next four, so hang on tight and enjoy the ride.

9/10
« Last Edit: November 29, 2014, 10:27:24 PM by metaldams »
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline Larrys#1

This is a great Marx Bros. film; not as good as the next three, but still much better than THE COCOANUTS. The big musical beginning is fun to watch and I'm not one to enjoy musical numbers. The musical number here fits in with the comedy, so it feels right. The same goes for the musical numbers in DUCK SOUP, but I'll save my comments on that movie when we get to it. The only musical number I didn't care for was the "Why Am I So Romantic" bit. Again, this feels like an MGM musical number that feels out of place and more like a time filler, which this movie didn't need since it runs over 90 minutes.

Many good parts here.... the "flash" part was hilarious and so was the part where Chico and Harpo play cards with Margaret Dumont and the other lady whose name I don't know. The part where Chico plays the piano and can't think of the finish was a very funny part. Like Metaldams, I really like the beginning where they introduced each character. The way Harpo enters and walks down the stairs is priceless. Just look at his goofy, facial expression.... what comedy this guy can produce without uttering a single word. While I may not care for his harp playing, I really think this guy is one hilarious fellow. Just to be clear on the harp thing.... I think he's an awesome harp player, but the reason I don't care to watch him play is because I don't really care for the harp instrument. I like the piano better, which is why I enjoy watching Chico more, despite him not being as great of a musician.

Excellent movie, but the next one after this one is significantly better and I anxiously await until next week to review it....

9/10


Offline Seamus


      As for Zeppo, at least he does a nice job as the straight man in the dictation scene.  I've always been amazed the man was given so little to do and can understand his desire to leave the team.  Margaret Dumont, who is as hammy and glorious here as she usually is, thank Gummo, usually has more to do than Zeppo. I think he will be used best in the next two films, which is as a Marxian (What do you want me to say, Marxist?), romantic lead, which is a Hell of a lot better than a standard one.

      Overall, a very entertaining movie.  My four favorite Marx Brothers movies, though, are the next four, so hang on tight and enjoy the ride.

I've always been strangely fascinated by Zeppo's presence in these movies.  A fourth Marx brother who looks and behaves like a normal human being would make sense if they'd given him a meaty role as the straight man to the other or as a romantic lead, but most of the time - especially in these first two films - he's barely visible and is lucky if he gets five lines of dialog.  He does get promoted to "Marxian" romantic lead in the next two movies, but even in MONKEY BUSINESS and HORSE FEATHERS he's given a lot less to do than the "standard" romantic lead in all their other movies, and he doesn't put a particularly Marxian spin on that character type.

Anyway, big step up from COCOANUTS.  Although all their subsequent Paramount movies are arguably better than ANIMAL CRACKERS, this might be the most quintessential Marx Brothers movie since it contains all the elements we associate with their movies - the Brothers invading high society and running circles around Margaret Dumont, a perfunctory and mostly sidelined plot involving star-crossed lovers, Harpo and Chico as a pair of con men (who AREN'T interested in the plight of the young lovers), Groucho as an oddly revered weirdo who somehow charms Dumont despite his endless stream of insults.  ANIMAL CRACKERS feels like a blueprint, with all their subsequent movies exploring other variations on the basic format that AC established ("What if we set these guys loose on a college campus?  Or on a ship with gangsters?  Or put them in charge of the government?").


Offline metaldams

I've always been strangely fascinated by Zeppo's presence in these movies.  A fourth Marx brother who looks and behaves like a normal human being would make sense if they'd given him a meaty role as the straight man to the other or as a romantic lead, but most of the time - especially in these first two films - he's barely visible and is lucky if he gets five lines of dialog.  He does get promoted to "Marxian" romantic lead in the next two movies, but even in MONKEY BUSINESS and HORSE FEATHERS he's given a lot less to do than the "standard" romantic lead in all their other movies, and he doesn't put a particularly Marxian spin on that character type.

Anyway, big step up from COCOANUTS.  Although all their subsequent Paramount movies are arguably better than ANIMAL CRACKERS, this might be the most quintessential Marx Brothers movie since it contains all the elements we associate with their movies - the Brothers invading high society and running circles around Margaret Dumont, a perfunctory and mostly sidelined plot involving star-crossed lovers, Harpo and Chico as a pair of con men (who AREN'T interested in the plight of the young lovers), Groucho as an oddly revered weirdo who somehow charms Dumont despite his endless stream of insults.  ANIMAL CRACKERS feels like a blueprint, with all their subsequent movies exploring other variations on the basic format that AC established ("What if we set these guys loose on a college campus?  Or on a ship with gangsters?  Or put them in charge of the government?").

Great observations about this being the "quintessential Marx Brothers movie," as you make some extremely valid points.  Throw in the solos of Harpo and Chico as well as comical musical numbers, and I might venture to say ANIMAL CRACKERS is the only Marx film that has all the elements one would consider in a prime Marx film.

As far as Zeppo, he seems like a much different screen lover than the David Manners type, but we'll get to that in the next couple of films.  I have the same Zeppo fascination as you do.
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline Seamus

Great observations about this being the "quintessential Marx Brothers movie," as you make some extremely valid points.  Throw in the solos of Harpo and Chico as well as comical musical numbers, and I might venture to say ANIMAL CRACKERS is the only Marx film that has all the elements one would consider in a prime Marx film.

Very true.  We lose Dumont in the next two movies (not necessarily a bad thing, but that's a discussion for later), and when she returns in DUCK SOUP we lose the harp and piano solos.  And the MGM movies tinker too much with the Brothers' basic characters and motivations to be considered "pure."   ANIMAL CRACKERS has it all. 

As far as Zeppo, he seems like a much different screen lover than the David Manners type, but we'll get to that in the next couple of films.  I have the same Zeppo fascination as you do.

He does sing less, so he earns points for that. 


Offline Umbrella Sam

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ANIMAL CRACKERS is definitely an improvement over THE COCOANUTS, although still somewhat flawed. On the one hand, the focus is much more clearly on the Marx Brothers just interacting with each other and with others. Chico stands out more in this film as a result. The songs are also a lot better, with "Hello, I Must Be Going" and "Hooray For Captain Spaulding," being among the songs most associated with Groucho Marx ("Captain Spaulding," in many respects, became somewhat of a personal anthem for him).

The downside, though, is that they still do try to force some type of story in there that just doesn't work very well. The whole painting plot gets way too overly complicated and confusing. Three different paintings are part of the plot and one is stolen more than once. While I can understand what the romantic leads' interest in replacing the painting is, the other guests' motivation seems kind of weak and Harpo's motivation is very unclear. He's constantly switching sides, which wouldn't be as big of a deal in a film like DUCK SOUP where the film is very much revolved around anarchy. However, here it is a problem because there is still a degree of seriousness to the film that leaves you constantly questioning everything he does. Why did he steal the paintings in the first place? If he realized the value of the first one, then why did he steal the others? Why did he steal the third one more than once only to return it? The only use he ever has for any of these paintings is briefly using one as a blanket. Even at the end, there's the question of why he knocked out Chico as well.

It's very clear that they're trying to make the romantic leads more interesting in this film than in THE COCOANUTS. The female romantic lead, in particular, seems to be more assertive than the one in THE COCOANUTS, though they're still not very well developed and their song is easily the weakest one in the film.

When it's not constantly reminding us of how confusing this plot is, though, it is very fun. The fast pace that Groucho, Chico, and Harpo are at throughout the film is simply breathtaking. Every time they're on screen, they're doing something of interest. Harpo and Chico playing cards; Groucho's speech about his exploits in Africa; Harpo and Chico bribing Mr. Chandler; Groucho and Chico talking about getting a house; even Zeppo gets a good laugh during the diction scene. They even make some good jokes with Chico's piano solo, such as how he has trouble finishing one song, only to return to it briefly later. Of course, massive credit also has to go to the supporting cast that serves as their foils, such as Margaret Dumont and Louis Sorin. I love the comedy in this and I can see why it is among the favorites of Marx Brothers fans.

Unfortunately, the flaws in this are still pretty noticeable to me and while I think the comedy does make up for a lot of it, it doesn't make up for all of it. Thankfully, they seemed to learn from this experience afterwards, as most of their other films either focused specifically on the comedy, or blended the comedy and story much better. I still would not consider this the movie for first timers to the Marx Brothers to start with, but once they get into them, it definitely makes for an entertaining experience.

8 out of 10
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Offline Dr. Mabuse

A minority opinion, but here goes . . .

The first 15 minutes of "Animal Crackers" represent the Marxes in top form, with Groucho's "Hooray for Captain Spaudling" an enduring classic. Regrettably, the film soon runs out of steam and the latter Groucho-Chico exchanges become tiresome. Harpo's physical viciousness toward Margaret Dumont is decidedly out of character — a miscalculation he would not repeat. Zeppo, on the other hand, upstages Groucho during the famous dictation scene. Victor Heerman's direction keeps the camera nailed to the ground while lacking the occasional cinematic flair evident in "The Cocoanuts." At least Lillian Roth is a vast improvement over Mary Eaton.

7/10
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Offline Curly Van Dyke

I like having Zeppo in the early films.Although he never got much to do,he had his moments.
I like him being one of the boys running around the ship in "Monkey Business" and he gets in on the
"Maurice Chevalier" bit. His "Hungerdunger" bit in "Animal Crackers" is great-he even gets to omit most
of Groucho's letter! He didn't sing too badly,either.
I guess he was given Gummo's Straight Man/Juvenile role and he did the best with what was given him.


Offline HomokHarcos

The opening introductions are great when the brothers are introduced, and then we get one of my favorite musical numbers in a Marx film when Groucho sings. Also early on there is some surreal comedy that I like. When Harpo shoots at a statue it comes to life! There is also the part when the lights go out, the scene where Groucho and Chico talk to each other. The Groucho/Chico interactions in these early movies remind of Abbott and Costello. The stolen painting story doesn't seem to matter much and again, is just an excuse to move the action along. Better than The Cocoanuts, but not as enjoyable as their next three movies.


Offline Allen Champion

I actually prefer THE COCOANUTS to this, but to each my own.   The playing bridge scene is my favorite, and I do love the Mrs. Rittenhouse character played by Maggie Dumont--although she reminds me of Mrs. Teasdale who looks an awful lot like Mrs. Claypool and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce  . . .

Where's my terry cloth bathrobe? ;)
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Offline Dr. Mabuse

I believe the image was taken from a T-shirt.


Offline NoahYoung

I haven't read the above opinions yet, but I will give mine.

After watching this virtually back-to-back with A NIGHT IN CASABLANCA, I found the latter to be an overall funnier movie! No other reason to compare the 2 other than the fact that I watched them just a few days apart.

I've seen both films roughly an equal number of times over the last 50 years, so it has nothing to do with over-familiarity with either film.

ANIMAL CRACKERS has a running time of 97-98 minutes, and seems even longer. The latter time seems to be "official", while my DVDs say 97. (I have the Image version, and the Silver Screen edition from the 2004 box.) Now they do contain edits, but nowhere near a minute's worth -- it's probably just rounding.

That being said, it's about a 1/2 hour too long. I don't think it's a coincidence that their following 3 films run anywhere from 68-77 minutes. And they are all much better, to boot!

For those who get all warm and fuzzy when talking about the Marx's Paramount films, and who complain about their later films having too much plot and music -- well, take a look at ANIMAL CRACKERS. In fact, the director, Victor Herman, favored uniniterrupted comedy scenes. He actually proved his point by audience-testing a 4 reel version of the film containing comedy scenes alone! (Documented in THE MARX BROTHERS ENCYCLOPEDIA, by Glenn Mitchell.)

Now that's the version I'd love to see, though with the modern technology that we have at our fingertips, it's easy to do, even with just the fast forward button or a scene selection menu. (My laptop is not powerful enough to do video editing of such large files. I've tried.)

If I were to re-edit the film, I'd remove more than just the fluff -- I'd trim down or trim out some of the Marx Brothers scenes, believe it or not. I have also have a theory that the Brothers were still geting used to playing to the camera and a quiet set rather than to a live audience. (This is somehing that Abbott and Costello also experienced when they entered films.)

The bridge game with Harpo, Chico, Margaret Dumont, and one of her guests goes on for too long. There are a couple of funny things in it, but the scene frankly tries my patience.

The same with Chico at the piano -- I usually thoroughly enjoy his piano playing. But he tries both his fellow cast members' patience as well as ours with his monotonous melody. This song is not "Sugartime", though it is often thought that it is. Couldn't be, since that song wasn't written until 1957! He does go on to play another tune. I'd have just let him play the monotous melody once for a few seconds, cut to Groucho and Dumont rolling their eyes, then cut to Chico playing the next melody.

I not a fan of the "Hungerdunger" scene, nor the scene with Grouch and Chico talking about how to solve the burglary. In fairness, the best lines of the former scene were censored out of re-issues but finally restored to the blu-ray. In any case, I'd prune it a bit more to give it some more "punch." Same with the burglary-solving discussion: either prune it or jettison it altogether.

The whole plot about stealing the painting and replacing it, by no less than 2 groups of people, driven by different motives, is ridiculous. I've read that on Broadway they needed to offset the Brothers' antics with some relief from the comedy! The only reason to leave any of it in there is to setup the ending with Harpo and the silverware.

Regarding one of the thefts, I never liked the scene where Chico and Harpo replace the painting, especially since much of it is done in the dark, with an obvious Groucho double, which you can see because of the silouette of his profile.

Hal Thompson, the romantic male lead (if you wanna call him that), is terrible. And he gets to show off his terrible singing voice to-boot, in his duet with Lillian Roth. BTW, I do like the song's melody, also played under the main titles -- it's by Kalmar and Ruby, whose songs I usually enjoy. According to IMDB, Thompson had a long career duration wise, making his last appearance in 1959 in an Alfred Hitchcock's presents episode. He started in the silents, but his documented appearances according to IMDB are few and far between. Strange.

Lillian Roth was really cute! I like her. YOWZA! Her movie career ended several years after this picture, but later wrote an auto-bio about her career, and they supposedly turned it into a movie.

Maybe I'm getting old, but may I say that Margaret Dumont looks kind of pretty in this film? She looks more than 5 years younger than she did in A NIGHT AT THE OPERA. I might even dare to say that perhaps 10 years earlier, in 1920, that she was considered beautiful.

In fairness, I believe the movie script was cleaned up a lot from the Broadway script. Even Groucho remarks in the film, after the sewer/sure joke, "Well, we cleaned that up pretty well!" Also, some scenes from the play were also excised -- supposedly a costume party, known as the "DuBarry scene," and Groucho's "ordering" scene. (c.f. THE ENCYLOPEDIA mentioned above about the DuBarry scene, and THE MARX BROTHERS AT THE MOVIES by Zimmerman and Goldblatt about the ordering scene.) Now how funny either of those scenes were is anyone's guess, since I've never read any detail about these scenes.

Pretty much everything I've read indicates that the producers wanted to make an "instant movie" by filming the Broadway play, though it is evident that the above changes, among others, were made. It seems that it was done mostly to keep the movie to a shorter running time -- which was probably motivated more by cost than anything else.

Keep in mind that this was released in late 1930 -- a little over a year since the industry abandoned silent films and concentrated stictly on talkies. The industry was still learning, an IMHO comedy was harder to "get right" than drama at this stage of the game. In general, the comedy competition for talkies was only bettered by the shorts being produced by Hal Roach from the likes of Laurel and Hardy, Our Gang, and Charley Chase -- though it should be noted that it wasn't until around the time that ANIMAL CRACKERS was released in September of that year that even the Roach product seemed to figure it all out, since there are many weak talkie shorts he produced in 1929 and early 1930, particularly by Our Gang.

So, to me, while not one of their best, it is still a memorable film for a few key comedy scenes: Hooray for Capt. Spaulding, Groucho's monologue about his African Safari, Groucho's exchanges with Chandler, Dumont, and others guests, and Harpo's antics throughout, including his silver-ware dropping scene.  I even enjoy the "Abie the fish-man" scene, particularly Abie's line to Chico, when asked when he became "Chandler": "When did you become an Italian?" In short, to me the film seems funnier when I'm recalling the best scenes rather than when I'm actually watching the entire film -- and my most recent viewing occurred over 2 separate nights, watching roughly half the film each night. Thats says a lot, I think.

What I would have liked would have been to literally film ANIMAL CRACKERS while it was being performed in front of a live audience on Broadway. Today of course that is possible, and has been done, but in 1930, the challenges of sound recording would have been insurmountable. A compromise would have been to let off-screen cast members and crew laugh out loud -- I think that would have removed what I perceive to be some awkwardness and pacing of some of the comedy scenes.

Also, I think me sitting in front of my TV alone watching this film is an entirely different experience than watching it with a knee-slapping, howling audience. Most of their comedies don't need that experience, but this film is definitely one that would benefit it immensely. I still regret not seeing this in the theater in 1974 -- I was definitely old enough to see it (and it was G-rated!), but if memory serves me correctly, it wasn't playing in my immediate neighborhood. I think that by the time I heard about it playing, and then asked my parents to take me to see it, it was no longer playing even in the theater about a half hour away! I do remember my neighbor, in her late teens or maybe older, telling me that she saw it and that I would like it.

Returning to my first point and why I think A NIGHT IN CASABLANCA (ANIC) is better -- well, I didn't get bored with the movie as I just did wih ANIMAL CRACKERS (AC). The movie industry obvioulsy learned a lot in the intervening 16 years, and so did The Brothers. There may be nothing in ANIC as iconic as Groucho singing "Hooray for Capt. Spaulding," but the movie as a whole keeps your attention more, and some of the scenes are very funny -- and none try your patience with length and monotony.

It was a tough call for me, but I think you need to judge a movie as a whole, and not how it would play if you cut out the stuff that you don't like. So I cherish AC for a few great individual, iconic scenes, and ANIC as an overall better movie experience with the laughs spread out a bit more evenly.

 Now feel free to [protest] if you will.












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Offline NoahYoung

I've always been strangely fascinated by Zeppo's presence in these movies.  A fourth Marx brother who looks and behaves like a normal human...

Much like Marilyn in THE MUNSTERS TV show!
 :o

Also funny that when he left after DUCK SOUP, they essentially replaced him with Allan Jones in the next 2 movies!

In THE MARX BROTHERS SCRAPBOOK, Groucho says about Zeppo, "He's just cold-blooded."

Asked why he doesn't get along with him, Groucho says, "Because he's always playing cards. That's why his wife walked out on him."

In reference to Barbara Marx, Zeppo's wife, Groucho says, "[They] just got a divorce. Everyone thinks she was having an affair with Frank Sinatra but I spoke with her and she told me that she and Sinatra are only friends." Yea, right!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you're a Marx fan, ya gotta read THE MARX BROTHERS SCRAPBOOK. I bought a used copy about 30 years ago and read it cover to cover in no time. I've only spot read it since then, but I think I'm due for a full re-read. Most of the book is written interview style, and the author, Richard J. Anobile, apparently transcribed his tapes verbatim, even including things like Groucho asking him for a match to light his cigar. Interviews with Zeppo, Gummo,  a few writers, and others are included as well. Groucho is given co-author credit on the cover. There are a lot of rare pics in the book too.

The interviews are un-censored, and some of Groucho's quotes are x-rated! That's why he and Anobile had a falling out after the book was published, according to Anobile in a subsequent book on the Marx Brothers, HOORAY FOR CAPTAIN SPAULDING, which contains "Verbal & Visual Gems from ANIMAL CRACKERS." This was released in 1974 to coincide with the theatrical re-release, which is mentioned briefly inside the book. Interestingly enough, the book contains the censored dialogue, which in at least one instance, in the "Hungerdunger" scene, Anobile says these couple of lines were cut from the film and that he obtained it from the script continuity. This leads me to believe that these lines were also censored from the 1974 re-release. The "I think I'll try and make her" line from Goucho's song is included in the book with no such mention that it was cut from the film.

From another thread, I wrote:


So I popped in my DVD of ANIMAL CRACKERS last night, from the 2004 DVD set of their Paramounts (The Silver Screen Collection), and it looked so much better than the version that is streaming on Prime right now. The contrast and density was spot-on, unilke on Prime. I found it to be very sharp -- no noticeable difference from the streaming version. The black and white balance was perfect -- it looked like a projected film. It had the same edits as in the Prime version. Strange, because in the booklet they reproduce the poster from the 1974 theatrical re-issue, where it proudly announced that it was uncensored! (Yet it still shows that it was rate G.) That lack of attention to detail bothers me.

I still question whether or not the 1974 re-issue had the cuts or not. Some people swear the 1979 CBS telecast was uncensored. For the latter, I don't recall. My guess is that both were censored, else subsequent video editions wouldn't have been censored either. But they were until they found an uncut print several years ago for blu-ray release.




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Offline NoahYoung

Watch this to see what a difference a scene from ANIMAL CRACKERS is like performed live in front of an audience. Go to 50:18.



Are anyone here fans of THE ODD COUPLE TV show from the 70s? The first season was shot with one camera, and no audience. Seasons 2-5 were shot in front of an audience with 3 cameras. The difference between season 1 and seasons 2-5 are like night and day. It's like a completely different show.

The funniest TV shows from he 50s and 60s were all shot in front of a live audience: I LOVE LUCY, THE HONEYMOONERS, THE PHIL SILVERS SHOW (BILKO), THE DICK VAN DYKE SHOW, THE LUCY SHOW, HERE'S LUCY. When the 70s rolled in, practically all sitcoms were shot in front of an audience. Big difference.

Shows like GET SMART were fantastic, but I consider that more of a spy-spoof than a sitcom. It couldn't have been filmed in front of an audience. Same with GILLIGAN'S ISLAND.

TV shows filmed in front of an audience were written differently. The problem with ANIMAL CRACKERS is that it was written to be performed in front of an audience, but it was filmed without an audience.

After ANIMAL CRACKERS, the Marx movies were written for the screen -- and note the uptick in quality. At least for the next few films.


Burt Lancaster was too short!
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Offline NoahYoung

A lengthy podcast about THE MARX BROTHERS SCRAPBOOK, to give you a taste before you get the book.

Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline NoahYoung

A bit long, I'm listening now -- not sure I'll get thru the whole thing:

Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline NoahYoung

The 1974 re-issue poster, the one reproduced in the 2004 DVD boxset. (See attachment below.)

Noticed it says "Uncut, uncensored", but apparently in theaters in 1974, it had the same cuts as all the video editions before the recent blu-ray. Reproducing a poster that had innacurate information is a classic example of an old mistake being propagated forward. Nobody fact-checked in 1974, nor in 2004.

Look at this: https://alt.movies.silent.narkive.com/0Bl4gib7/ot-animal-crackers-censored

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A remark late in being shared in this thread: I saw the theatrical reissue
of "Animal Crackers" in 1974 in two different cities and remember noticing
the jump cut in the "Captain Spalding" song and I recall too recognizing
that the flow of the melody was disrupted by what was obviously a stanza
shorter than the others.

--
David Hayes

And this:

https://dailybruin.com/2015/07/19/alums-memoir-on-working-for-groucho-marx-to-be-made-into-feature-film

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Steve Stoliar and his then-roommate Daryl Busby created The Committee for the Re-release of “Animal Crackers” (CRAC) when Stoliar was a second-year history student, and successfully petitioned Universal Studios to re-premiere the classic Marx Brothers film and eventually fully re-release it in the U.S.

What good would petitioning Universal do if there was a legal stalemate preventing it's showing? Curiouser and curiouser.

It just doesn't add up. Makes it sound like Universal alone was to blame for holding the film out of circulation.

Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline NoahYoung

Since this isn't triggering much discussion,  I'll relate it to the Stooges.

Perhaps it's a testament to the Stooges ability as comics that they didn't need numerous playwrights, songwriters, directors, producers, etc. to produce a good comedy. No fancy scripts, no trying stuff out on the road (though they did come from vaudeville), and they still consistently turned out funny shorts, year after year for quite a while!

I'm not saying that the Marx Brothers had less talent than the Stooges (nor saying that they had more) -- but I'm questioning why it was so dang hard to write a movie for the Marx Brothers? They made 13, count-em, 13 films together, and the last one doesn't really count. Their penultimate film was a "comeback" released a full 5 years after their prior one. They never released more than one film in a year, and during their prime, they released ZERO (O, nada) films in 1934 and 1936!

Most people dismiss their last 3 MGM films, and many dismiss their penultimate film as well. So their reputation rests on 8 films, and only 7 if you kick ROOM SERVICE out the door like most do.

I guess the Marx went for quality, not quantity. But there's a heck of a lot of quality from 1934 to around 1944 for the Stooges (before Curly became ill.) Lots of good Shemp stuff as well.


Just saying...
Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline Dr. Mabuse

"Animal Crackers" is the only Marx Brothers film that starts with a bang, then gradually loses momentum — even the climax drags. The 98-minute running time cannot sustain a thin storyline and the results are maddeningly uneven. Judicious editing would not have fully alleviated the staginess of Heerman's direction.


Offline NoahYoung

"Animal Crackers" is the only Marx Brothers film that starts with a bang, then gradually loses momentum — even the climax drags. The 98-minute running time cannot sustain a thin storyline and the results are maddeningly uneven. Judicious editing would not have fully alleviated the staginess of Heerman's direction.

You've hit the nail right on the head.

I think the only "direction" he did was for the camera and microphone crew, and making sure the actors hit their chalk marks and stayed within camera range. And keeping the Marx Brothers locked in cages between shots! [cool] (A  story that may in fact be apocryphal.)

Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline metaldams

I enjoy every Marx Brothers movie to an extent.  But Noah, your comment about people complaining about the MGM films for extraneous plots and music while praising the Paramounts when in fact - the first two films are the same is spot on.  The first two, as you clearly know, are based on stage plays and adding in the very early talkie nature, seem like different films than the next three.  So for me, there are two distinct Paramount phases.
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline metaldams

Watch this to see what a difference a scene from ANIMAL CRACKERS is like performed live in front of an audience. Go to 50:18.



Are anyone here fans of THE ODD COUPLE TV show from the 70s? The first season was shot with one camera, and no audience. Seasons 2-5 were shot in front of an audience with 3 cameras. The difference between season 1 and seasons 2-5 are like night and day. It's like a completely different show.

The funniest TV shows from he 50s and 60s were all shot in front of a live audience: I LOVE LUCY, THE HONEYMOONERS, THE PHIL SILVERS SHOW (BILKO), THE DICK VAN DYKE SHOW, THE LUCY SHOW, HERE'S LUCY. When the 70s rolled in, practically all sitcoms were shot in front of an audience. Big difference.

Shows like GET SMART were fantastic, but I consider that more of a spy-spoof than a sitcom. It couldn't have been filmed in front of an audience. Same with GILLIGAN'S ISLAND.

TV shows filmed in front of an audience were written differently. The problem with ANIMAL CRACKERS is that it was written to be performed in front of an audience, but it was filmed without an audience.

After ANIMAL CRACKERS, the Marx movies were written for the screen -- and note the uptick in quality. At least for the next few films.

That footage was also only shot 8 days before Margaret Dumont passed.  Very wonderful to see them perform it in the Nick of time and they’re wonderful.
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline NoahYoung

That footage was also only shot 8 days before Margaret Dumont passed.  Very wonderful to see them perform it in the Nick of time and they’re wonderful.

That I did not know.

Groucho claimed they ad-libbed a lot on Broadway, and right after the stock market crashed, they made a lot of cracks about investing. There's no substitute for performing in front of a live, enthusiastic audience.

Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline NoahYoung

I enjoy every Marx Brothers movie to an extent. 

Me too.  The reviews here reflect ratings compared to other films the subject made. We might give a 3/10 to a Stooges short, but it is still better than any episode of FRIENDS, IMHO. (I dislike that show -- always did, right from the start.)


Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz


Offline NoahYoung

So for me, there are two distinct Paramount phases.

Funny that the Paramount period was only 4 years and 5 films, and as you said 2 distinct periods -- Long Island/Queens (Astoria Studios, where they later taped THE COSBY SHOW), then Hollywood.

I've asked it before (rhetorically), why was it so dang hard to write a screenplay for The Marx Bros.???

In my recent skim thru THE MARX BROS. SCRAPBOOK, I was reminded that they really didn't seem to enjoy making movies, especially Groucho. And then comments by others, in interviews in that book, reinforces that, since they state how hard it was to get the Bros. on the set when it was time to film a scene! Buster Keaton has filmed interviews where he talks about that and how it frustrated him when he worked at M-G-M behind the scenes on some of their pictures.



Burt Lancaster was too short!
- The Birdman of Alcatraz