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Buster Keaton Educational Set 7/6/10

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Offline Rich Finegan

Another review

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/43402/lost-keaton-sixteen-comedy-shorts-1934-1937/

Thanks for posting that.
The reviewer is right! All the good stuff he says is right. I've always liked these shorts and have promoted them as well worth checking out.
Interesting typo in there, though....wart instead of war!


Offline metaldams

Can't bloody wait, that's all I gotta say now.
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline falsealarms

After months of waiting, the countdown can really heat up now... less than 1 week.


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FYI - Best price I've seen is Deep Discount ($21) and basic shipping is free. Most others are upwards of $30.


Offline FineBari3

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Deep Discount had the best price for Vol. 8, too. I have given them a lot of my money in the past month.

I'm really looking forward to this Keaton set!
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Offline metaldams

Mine should be arriving just in time for my vacation week.  To quote Miss Piggy, yet making it more vulgar than she would, "Yippy Fucking Skippy!!!!!!!!!"
- Doug Sarnecky


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Offline Rich Finegan

On the back cover I see names of some people I know listed as helping with this. Wish I'd known...I have some stills, lobby cards and other material on these shorts that I'd have been glad to have contributed.

Whoever gets this set first, please report to us: does the short GRAND SLAM OPERA still have the ever-present splice in the opening song (Bud Jamison and friends singing to Buster)?
I hope this will be one of the prints where they found new material, not the same decades-old source prints with the splice in the song.


Offline metaldams

I received my copy yesterday.  Rich, I'm watching the shorts in order, but whenever I get to GRAND SLAM OPERA and if somebody else doesn't post it before I do, I'll let you know if I see the splice.

I've watched the first two shorts, one which I've already seen, and my very early impressions are these shorts are going to contain brief moments of prime Buster scattered with standard 30's comedy short fare.  Again, I'm VERY early in this set, so this may change, but it's those brief moments that'll make this set worth it.  Still, any Keaton virgins reading this should seriously check out his silent stuff first, as this set is for more seasoned fans.
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline falsealarms

I've only watched THE GOLD GHOST so far. It was a fun watch that was well paced. Video quality was more than acceptable considering the material. Sound was fine as well. My only complaint so far is that the notes on the films are presented on screen and are kind of a pain to go through. Much rather would have had a printed insert.

As I go through this set, I'll be interested in discovering if I prefer these to the Keaton Columbias.


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I have to say, Buster and Dorothea Kent made a great pair. He and Lona Andre did too.

I'm through disc 1 and these are quite good. The best so far are probably ALLEZ OOP, ONE RUN ELMER, HAYSEED ROMANCE, THE E-FLAT MAN and THE TIMID YOUNG MAN. The worst was PALOOKA FROM PADUCAH.


Offline metaldams

I have to say, Buster and Dorothea Kent made a great pair. He and Lona Andre did too.

I'm through disc 1 and these are quite good. The best so far are probably ALLEZ OOP, ONE RUN ELMER, HAYSEED ROMANCE, THE E-FLAT MAN and THE TIMID YOUNG MAN. The worst was PALOOKA FROM PADUCAH.

I've only watched the first four, and I agree about PALOOKA FROM PADUCAH being the weakest, which is a shame because his whole family is in it.  I did like the dynamite/horseshoe gag, but the rest fell flat.  ONE RUN ELMER had some excellent silent bits at the gas station.  I just wish Buster had more time and a budget to work on these things, though.
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline metaldams

These Keaton Educationals are better than the Roach L&H shorts. The films move a helluva lot better and have superior storylines and supporting casts.

How much Laurel and Hardy have you watched?  I thought the Hal Roach supporting players (Edgar Kennedy, James Finlayson, Thelma Todd, and a zillion others), were excellent.
- Doug Sarnecky


Offline Blystone

I'll be getting this DVD in the mail any day now, and I can hardly wait (hey, that sounds like a good title for a Stooges short). I like the Keaton Columbias a lot, so if the Educationals are in the same league I won't be disappointed. The "problem," if it is one, with both series seems to be the low budgets, but at MGM Buster had the opposite situation: plenty of money was spent on the look of the films, but he had almost no creative input— which literally drove him to drink (that, and the state of his marriage).

According to his autobiography, Buster tried to talk Harry Cohn into spending more money on the shorts, but Cohn wasn't interested, and that was when Buster quit making what he called "crummy two-reelers" and returned to MGM as a gagwriter and script doctor... for less money. But approaching middle age, he must have been sick of the grind of crankin' em' out on a three-day shooting schedule.

To say that these shorts are better than the ones L&H made for Roach is a pretty strong claim; I've always found that budgets don't matter much if you've got truly great comedians. All of the studios that were making comedy shorts in the early sound era were low-rent: not only Educational, Columbia, Paramount, and Roach, but also Mack Sennett (who was about to close his studio for good, but not before he turned out four classics with W.C. Fields). The days when Joseph Schenck would let Buster spend as much money as he wanted on his films were long over.


Offline falsealarms

I've seen all the Roach L&H sound shorts outside of OLIVER THE EIGHTH and BELOW ZERO. Plus WAY OUT WEST, A CHUMP AT OXFORD, and SONS OF THE DESERT. Those Roach players weren't bad by any means, but the ones in these Keatons did more for me. But I'll say this: I thought Keaton's family was poor in PALOOKA FROM PADUCAH.

If ROUGH ON RENTS and BABY DAZE are any indication, I'll end up liking Edgar Kennedy better as a star of his own shorts than as a L&H supporting player. I'll be diving into Kennedy as soon as Monday with the arrival of those two new Alpha sets.

Compared to L&H, these Keatons had much quicker pacing and were a lot more energetic. Sometimes L&H shorts would go on too long or just kind of have a methodical feel. I guess I just find Keaton's type of humor more pleasing. I found some of the gags in these Keatons to be more creative/interesting and he's more physical than L&H.



Offline locoboymakesgood

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I think comparing Keaton Educational shorts to Laurel & Hardy Roach shorts are apples to oranges. That's one reason you can't compare the Stooges to L&H -- each studio had a different mindset when it came to their shorts departments.

Please educate me though, do any of these Keaton shorts share any of the same writers or directors of L&H's prime at Roach? I think the only comparison here is that they were made during the same time period, but saying one is better than the other is a bit off since everyone back then had their own style of comedy.

Then I saw you wrote this..
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Compared to L&H, these Keatons had much quicker pacing and were a lot more energetic. Sometimes L&H shorts would go on too long or just kind of have a methodical feel. I guess I just find Keaton's type of humor more pleasing. I found some of the gags in these Keatons to be more creative/interesting and he's more physical than L&H.
If you're more of a Keaton fan then I would assume you would like his shorts better, meaning there really is no comparison to begin with. Maybe Laurel & Hardy's humor just isn't your cup of tea. To each their own, there's a lot of things I don't like that people do.

(P.S. Not trying to pick a fight or anything. I just found it an odd comparison)
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Offline Blystone

Stan and Ollie weren't that physical?! Let me recommend "Busy Bodies" (1933). The mayhem is absolutely Stooge-level, and it's every bit as funny. It was only in the 40's when their age was catching up with them that they couldn't do routines like these any more, so their comedy got more verbal. Also, check out "Perfect Day" (with Edgar Kennedy) and "The Music Box" (with Billy Gilbert).

If Babe Hardy getting flattened by a runaway piano isn't physical enough for you, then I don't know what is!

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Offline metaldams

OK, I'm one short shy of getting through disc one, and so far I am disappointed.  The Columbia Keaton set, while definitely not on par with his silents, was much better than I was expecting and I'd even consider a few of those borderline classics.  These Educationals for the most part have gags and routines that could've been done by anybody.  Occasionally the old Buster shows up, but not enough.  I'm really hoping disc two has at least a couple that could be considered minor classics.

The thing is, as most of you know, I'm a HUGE Buster Keaton fan.  Being a huge Keaton fan, I have high standards for the guy, as I know what he's capable of.  These shorts so far simply don't cut the mustard as far as Keaton goes.  I really hope my opinion changes as I watch the others.

Better than Laurel and Hardy?  Well False, if you're not a Laurel and Hardy fan, fair enough, but to those of us who are Laurel and Hardy fans and consider their Roach shorts to be amongst the great bodies of work in classic comedy, these Educationals are not even close.  Blystone's right, Laurel and Hardy shorts are plenty physical, and when they are slow and methodical (and there's nothing wrong with that), the viewer is always rewarded with a great finish.

- Doug Sarnecky


Offline falsealarms

That L&H comparison was clearly not my proudest moment.


Offline metaldams

That L&H comparison was clearly not my proudest moment.

LOL!  Hey it's cool.

- Doug Sarnecky


Offline FineBari3

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That L&H comparison was clearly not my proudest moment.

Nonono! Your L&H comparison was spot-on for me. The Roach L&H stuff moves very, very slow for me. I understand they are building tension and release and all of that, but it just doesn't cut it anymore for the 21st century. Sure, there are some rip-roaring moments, but it moves so slowly to build up to one gag.  I can see the Buster Educationals being a bit faster paced than the L&H.

Your comments were just fine....(now I'm gonna get hell).
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Offline falsealarms

Yeah, I just got overly enthusiastic about these Educationals. They are great, though.


Offline metaldams

Any human being who knocks the Roach Laurel and Hardy's, or even recognizes them as less than perfect, has a one way trip to Hell.  They'll be spending enternity sitting in a 3 million degree cubicle next to Adolf Hitler and Islipp.

But hey, guess what?  I watched the second disc and thought overall, the Keaton Educationals got better as the series went on.  I already knew GRAND SLAM OPERA and JAIL BAIT were good, but I really enjoyed THE CHEMIST as well, which was produced by Al Christie, in case I'm not the only obscure silent comedy nerd on this board.  THE TIMID YOUNG MAN, the one Mack Sennett directed, was just alright.  I did like the dog eating the Mexican jumping beans and appreciate the fact it was the lone Sennett short in the collection that gave us the bathing beauty, but man, Tiny Sanford's character was too creepy for words.
- Doug Sarnecky