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A couple of interesting tidbits from MLB.com indicate that the Sox and Yanks could be in a bidding war AJ Burnett and/or Derek Lowe and that the Washington Nationals of all teams could be major player in the Mark Teixeira sweepstakes. No that wasn't a typo, I said the Washington Nationals.

One of my good friends is a Marlins fan (he's 21 and became a baseball fan when the Marlins were a championship team, sooooo....), and the Red Sox already have Beckett.  If we do win the Burnett wars and the crap contract for crap contract Lugo/Willis trade goes through, I'll be messing with him non-stop.
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One of my good friends is a Marlins fan (he's 21 and became a baseball fan when the Marlins were a championship team, sooooo....), and the Red Sox already have Beckett.  If we do win the Burnett wars and the crap contract for crap contract Lugo/Willis trade goes through, I'll be messing with him non-stop.

I haven't heard anything about a Willis/Lugo trade, but that would be interesting on a crap for crap scale. In my fantasy world Willis would return to his old form after the trade which would give Boston the most lethal rotation in the Majors. I can dream can't I?

I'd be happy with just about anything to get rid of Lugo though, my blood boils any time I see him.
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Oh, and as for the Nationals and Texiera, make sense.  They're an expansion team trying tbuild a club, and they need a franchise player the same way the Marlins are trying with Hanley Ramirez.  Perhaps with Texiera, a Marlins Vs. Nationals game can draw 1,500 people instead of 500.
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I haven't heard anything about a Willis/Lugo trade, but that would be interesting on a crap for crap scale. In my fantasy world Willis would return to his old form after the trade which would give Boston the most lethal rotation in the Majors. I can dream can't I?

I'd be happy with just about anything to get rid of Lugo though, my blood boils any time I see him.

The rumor is either Willis or Nate Robertson for Lugo.  All have big contracts and have underachieved as of late. 

I'd take those pitchers anyday for Lugo.  They may absolutely suck, but they're young and their upside is strong.  John Farrell may be able to work wonders with them.  Lugo is a 33 year old injured sack of shit who makes too many errors and hit .139 with RISP.  Coco could be frustrating but had his good points.  Lugo's a complete disaster.  I hate to admit this, but I actually cheered when he got injured running to first against Baltimore. 
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Yeah, I read up on it at the Red Sox board and absolutely agree with you. Willis is more intriguing but either would be big step up from Lugo in my eyes (although that isn't saying much).
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The more I'm reading about this guy, I like the potential.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/11/the_ramon_ramir.html


The Red Sox have traded outfielder Coco Crisp to the Royals for pitcher Ramon Ramirez.

Who?

Our thoughts exactly. Here's what we were able to dig up about the 27-year-old reliever:

SCOUTING REPORT

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A summation of new Red Sox reliever Ramon Ramirez from a major league scout who watched him six times live this season (courtesy of Nick Cafardo):

"Throws 92-95 [mph] with a heavy, late-life fastball . . . Gets away with mistakes over the middle of the plate because his fastball has so much late life . . . second-best arm in that bullpen [to Joakim Soria] . . . Likes to challenge hitters . . . Definitely a setup man with potential to be a closer down the road . . . Plus fastball, plus slider, has a splitter or something that resembles a splitter . . . Average command . . . Deceptive delivery makes it hard for righthanded hitters to pick up his fastball . . . Hitters can't pick up his arm slot on the backside . . . Needs to tweak his off-speed pitches . . . Can throw his slider too hard . . . Very athletic. Fields his position well . . . Has an above-average 1.22 [second] release point [from the breaking of his hands to catchers mitt] on his slide step, 1.3 from the windup . . . Works fast."


Major league facts and figures

He made his major league debut on April 14, 2006 and didn't allow a run until May 15, setting a Rockies rookie record for scoreless relief innings to start a career (15 1/3). It was the longest such streak since 2001.

He posted a 2.92 ERA in the first half of the 2006 season before hitters figured him out. His July ERA was 6.23, and his second-half ERA was 4.11.

Despite the struggles, he set Colorado franchise marks for ERA (3.46) and strikeouts (61) by a rookie reliever. Opponents hit just .230 against him, second-best on the team behind closer Brian Fuentes (.209).

He struggled in spring training in 2007 and elbow problems limited him to 22 appearances (8.31 ERA, 1.55 WHIP).

Former Colorado teammate Jose Mesa took Ramirez under his wing in 2007.

He had issues last year with some former teammates, allegedly throwing at ex-Rockies batterymate Yorvit Torrealba.

After pitching in nine spring games in 2008 and posting a 1.42 ERA with 13 strikeouts and three walks in 12 2/3 innings, he was traded to the Royals for a player to be named later (Jorge De La Rosa).

He spent the entire 2008 season with the Royals, going 3-2 with one save and a 2.64 ERA as the bridge to closer Joakim Soria.

His 21 holds in 2008 ranked him seventh (tie) among American League relievers, and he was among AL relief leaders in innings (71 2/3 IP, 11th) and strikeouts (70 K, 13th).

His 71 appearances were the 10th-best in the AL and the 10th-highest total in Royals history.

Has struck out 146 hitters in 156 2/3 innings for his career.

Stats against the Red Sox: 3 innings in 3 appearances, 2 hits, 3 strikeouts, no runs allowed.

In his only appearance at Fenway (May 20, 2008) he faced the heart of the Red Sox order, and whiffed Dustin Pedroia, forced a David Ortiz tapper to first, and struck out Manny Ramirez swinging.

According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, he had the second-lowest home runs per innings pitched rate in the AL last year. He has allowed 9 home runs in his career.

He held righties to a .153 average, lowest in the AL and third-best in the majors among pitchers with at least 50 games. Only Chicago's Carlos Marmol (.103) and Philly's Brad Lidge (.105) were better.

Another key stat: In 2008, batters swung at 33.3 percent of his pitches outside the strike zone. Among AL relievers with more than 50 innings pitched, only Jonathan Papelbon (34.3 percent) and Mariano Rivera (36.3) had a better rate.
He is under Boston's control for at least two more seasons and is not arbitration eligible until 2011. He made $397,000 in 2008.


Before reaching the majors

The vitals: Born Aug. 31, 1981. He is 27 years old. Stands 5-foot-11, 190 pounds.

Born in Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic, the same birthplace of former Diamondbacks infielder Tony Batista.

The Rangers signed him as a 15-year-old free agent on Dec. 27, 1996, though Texas believed him to be 16.
He hit .245 in 39 games for the Rangers' Dominican Summer League squad in 1997. He failed to progress at the plate and was released on June 4, 98.

According to a story, he worked in a Coca-Cola bottling factory after the Rangers released him.

He spent the late 90s on the fringes of pro baseball, presumably learning how to pitch.

He joined the Hiroshima Carp Dominican Republic academy in 2000 and in 2002, pitched in two games for the Carp in Japan.
The Yankees picked him up via the posting system in Feb. 2003 for $300,050.

That year, he shot up the ranks, from the Single-A Tampa Yankees to Triple-A Columbus, going 3-10 with a 4.43 ERA in 20 games.
Baseball America ranked him the No. 5 pitcher in the Yankees' system for 2003.

In 2004, he was sent down to Double-A ball after going 0-3, 8.50 to start the year at Triple-A. With Double-A Trenton, he went 4-6, 4.62 in 18 starts. According to Baseball-Reference, he led the league in strikeouts per 9 innings ratio with 10.1 K/9 IP.

In 2005, Ramirez again struggled in Triple-A, going 1-3 with a 5.33 ERA in 6 games. He was demoted again, going 6-5 with a 3.84 ERA in 15 games for Trenton.

Just before the 2005 trade deadline, he was traded to Colorado with righthanded pitcher Eduardo Sierra for righthanded pitcher Shawn Chacon.
Ramirez was assigned to Double-A Tulsa and went 2-1 with a 5.33 ERA in 9 games.

Information from Globe and Boston.com Staff, MLB.com, the Red Sox' public relations department, The Denver Post, Baseball-Reference.com and other sources were used in this report.


- Doug Sarnecky


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Another news item of interest.  If so, hats off to the man for a great career.


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081119&content_id=3685153&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

As expected, Mike Mussina will be announcing his retirement.
The veteran right-hander will make an official announcement later in the week, according to a report by Ken Rosenthal on Foxsports.com.

Mussina will be 40 on Dec. 8 and is coming off the first 20-win season of his career, posting a 20-9 mark with a 3.37 ERA in 34 starts with the Yankees this past season. The report mentioned that Mussina was waiting out the award season to announce his intent to retire. He won his seventh Gold Glove this year and first since 2003.

In a career that spanned 18 seasons, Mussina spent the last eight in the Bronx and compiled a 270-153 record with a career ERA of 3.68.

That may appear shy of the magic 300-win plateau seemingly required for immediate admission to the Hall of Fame, but Mussina was a five-time All-Star, appeared in 16 postseason series and had six top-five finishes in voting for the American League Cy Young Award. Mussina finished second to Pedro Martinez in 1999 and was sixth in voting this year.

The Yankees have expected Mussina to retire and have not figured him into their plans to rebuild their pitching staff. The club has already offered a six-year, $140-145 million deal to CC Sabathia and is pursuing right-hander A.J. Burnett, according to published reports.

Mike Scarr is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

- Doug Sarnecky


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It's refreshing to see a pitcher leave like Mussina has done, with a career high in wins in his final season. Usually you have to pry them off of the mound or they will finally step down in disgrace (turns an eye to Randy Johnson) after shitting the bed in their final year. It's also refreshing to see that he didn't try to stick around well past his expiration date to try to reach the 300 win mark (turns the other eye to Randy Johnson then looks away because the man is fugly).

With that said I'm glad the fucker never got a ring.
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With that said I'm glad the fucker never got a ring.

Me too, but that's more because of the teams he played for than the man himself.
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Is it just me or is the "hot stove season" moving a bit too slowly? I've been checking my regular sites at least daily and so far there has been next to nothing. The Sox have only gotten a couple of bullpen arms and apparently a Japanese prospect, and almost everything else has been moving at a snail's pace. Hurry up Winter Meetings!
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We got Wes Fucking Littleton!  :-\   He may be good, and I guess the scouts see somethng in the guy.  I think he'll be playing on the team unless if he's trade bait, 'cause I think he's out of options.  It seems like bullpen depth's a priority, always a good thing.

The strange thing about Tazawa is that it seems like he's CHOOSING Boston in the face of bigger offers from other teams.  A few years ago, this never would have happened. 

As for the hot stove in general, things will heat up.  There are too many big free agents not too.  I think the depth that's out there and the supposed slowing down on big offers because of the economy is why things aren't moving as fast.

Just curious, what are your Red Sox joints?  I check the official site, Boston Dirt Dogs, and while I've never posted or even signed up (I like stats and all, but some of those guys scare me), the talksox.com and Sons of Sam Horn boards. 
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One of my favorite for hot stove news in general is MLB Trade Rumors. I found it just recently but have been on it every day since. Another good one is Fire Brand of the American League
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Is Javier Vazquez going to the Braves a major story? I've been under the impression that he's been nothing but a bust since departing Montreal. He was a victim of being a young stud pitcher on some sad teams back then.

The Chi Sox are robbing the Braves blind with this deal in my opinion, those are some good looking prospects the Braves are giving up.
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Is Javier Vazquez going to the Braves a major story? I've been under the impression that he's been nothing but a bust since departing Montreal. He was a victim of being a young stud pitcher on some sad teams back then.

The Chi Sox are robbing the Braves blind with this deal in my opinion, those are some good looking prospects the Braves are giving up.

Mike Hampton to the Astros as well through free agency.  I'm telling 'ya, I think the owners are afraid to bite first on the big names due to the supposed economic limitations.

As for Javier Vasquez, I'll always love the guy for those two beach balls he threw to Damon.
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In shortstop news it looks like Edgar Renteria will sign with the Giants and the Pirates have traded overrated shortstop Jack Wilson to the Tigers.
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In shortstop news it looks like Edgar Renteria will sign with the Giants and the Pirates have traded overrated shortstop Jack Wilson to the Tigers.

Edgar's always been a better National League guy for some reason.

The Red Sox also locked up Pedroia until 2014.  Very good move, and I wonder how and when Paps, Youk, and Lester will be locked up.
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To correct my previous statement it looks like Detroit has signed SS Adam Everett instead of trading for Jack Wilson. Smart move, because despite the drop in average both men are great defensively and produce basically the same power numbers. Wilson had basically the same kind of season Julio Lugo had and made not much less than Mr. Lugo yet Wilson is sought after while Lugo is a pariah. Go figure!

If I could be anywhere in the world right now it would be in Las Vegas at the Winter Meetings. So tell me Doug, do you think the BoSox should acquire Teixeira, or keep Lowell? Speaking of Boston, it looks like they are close to getting local guy Rocco Baldelli for a 4th OF (excellent pick-up if they do and he'll be instantly loved as is anyone from New England in a Red Sox uniform) along with ulitily man Willie Bloomquist. I love this time of year almost as much as the season itself.
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To correct my previous statement it looks like Detroit has signed SS Adam Everett instead of trading for Jack Wilson. Smart move, because despite the drop in average both men are great defensively and produce basically the same power numbers. Wilson had basically the same kind of season Julio Lugo had and made not much less than Mr. Lugo yet Wilson is sought after while Lugo is a pariah. Go figure!

If I could be anywhere in the world right now it would be in Las Vegas at the Winter Meetings. So tell me Doug, do you think the BoSox should acquire Teixeira, or keep Lowell? Speaking of Boston, it looks like they are close to getting local guy Rocco Baldelli for a 4th OF (excellent pick-up if they do and he'll be instantly loved as is anyone from New England in a Red Sox uniform) along with ulitily man Willie Bloomquist. I love this time of year almost as much as the season itself.

Look, I love Mike Lowell, but he's in his mid 30's and coming off surgery.  Of course he may still have a few good seasons left in him as well, but Mark Texiera's probably got a whole of a lot more than that, so yeah, go for Texiera if you can.  Youklis can play third no problem.  However, if the Sox don't get Texiera and stick with Lowell, I won't complain that much.

Rocco Baldelli would be a sweet fourth outfielder, I agree.  Bloomquist, didn't he play for Seattle?  Don't know much about him, but I can easily do the reaserch.
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Well what I'm hearing is that the Red Sox are front-runners for Teixeira, although the Yankees might try to get in there and at the very least drive up the price if CC Sabathia doesn't work out. At this point CC seems intent on playing for a west coast team, most likely the Dodgers or Angels because he just built a home near LA. Most of the "experts" seem to be leaning towards Boston signing Tex because he seems to be their #1 target. I've also heard that Boston is interested in Burnett, put out feelers for Pettitte (no chance and I wouldn't want him at this point) and they talked to CC but are not serious players for him.

The Mets seem very close to signing K-Rod for something in the neighborhood of 3 years/$37 mil, and the Cubs seem to be closing in on a Peavy trade that will either involve the Orioles, Phillies or both...something convoluted like that. The Pads seem to be doing most of the heavy lifting as far as the particulars go and Peavy seems to have his sights set on the Cubbies. It's somewhat shocking since the Padres were a perrenial playoff team just a few short years ago.
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It appears as though Kerry Wood will be signing with the Cleveland Indians, which is significant improvement in regards to their closer situation the past couple of seasons. Anybody else remember when Wood was striking out 20 batters in a game and was heralded as the next Roger Clemens?

Also, Ramon Hernandez is going from Baltimore to Cincinnati for Ryan Freel, cash and prospects. The K-Rod/Mets deal appears to have gone down, so with K-Rod off the table the other closer dominoes should fall into place shortly. In an afterthought, Casey Blake and Mark Loretta have both signed with the Dodgers. Oh, and the Giants are seemingly major players in the CC sweepstakes.

The ball is finally starting to roll.
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Perhaps Sarah (curlysdame) or someone else from either Norcal or Socal can enlighten me (an ignorant east coaster) on the bitter war between the two areas as far as sports is concerned. I've been reading through the fan comments section of an ESPN.com article about the Giants making themselves known to CC Sabathia, originally from Vallejo, which the author referred to as "southern California" and there were almost calls to lynch him/her (it's just credited to "ESPN.com news services").You would have thought ESPN took a collective shit on Norcal or something from the outrage.
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I would also be remiss if I didn't mention the retirement of one of the top two pitchers of his era, Greg Maddox. If Mussina was great then Maddox was a deity amongst mortals. As weird as it was to see Maddox coming out of the bullpen during the playoffs it will be even more weird to realize he isn't pitching at all next season.
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Perhaps Sarah (curlysdame) or someone else from either Norcal or Socal can enlighten me (an ignorant east coaster) on the bitter war between the two areas as far as sports is concerned. I've been reading through the fan comments section of an ESPN.com article about the Giants making themselves known to CC Sabathia, originally from Vallejo, which the author referred to as "southern California" and there were almost calls to lynch him/her (it's just credited to "ESPN.com news services").You would have thought ESPN took a collective shit on Norcal or something from the outrage.

All I know is The Dodgers and Giants are considered rivals.  Hey, it makes sense.  Same division, both in California and both used to play in New York.
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All I know is The Dodgers and Giants are considered rivals.  Hey, it makes sense.  Same division, both in California and both used to play in New York.

I know that much in that they were rivals even since their New York/Brooklyn days, but these comments indicated an overall bitter rivalry between the northern part of California and the southern part that ventures beyond baseball, and being a guy who's only ventured as far west as Denver I found it interesting. Hopefully Sarah or one of our other Cali members can shed light on it.
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I know that much in that they were rivals even since their New York/Brooklyn days, but these comments indicated an overall bitter rivalry between the northern part of California and the southern part that ventures beyond baseball, and being a guy who's only ventured as far west as Denver I found it interesting. Hopefully Sarah or one of our other Cali members can shed light on it.

Oh well, ummm, that I have no clue of.

Well, actually, being a metal fan, I know the early - mid 80's metal scenes had L.A. (Glam/Hair) Vs. San Francisco (Thrash) rivalries.  Minor in of itself, but hinting that there might be something deeper there?  Yeah, California members, speak up.
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