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General Boards => General Discussion => Topic started by: xraffle on June 25, 2009, 05:30:32 PM
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Breaking news- Michael Jackson has just died at age 50 from cardiac arrest. Now, 50 is a young age to die! That's shocking and very sad to hear. May he rest in peace.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_michael_jackson
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2009/06/tmzcom_says_michael_jackson_ru.html
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Breaking news- Michael Jackson has just died at age 50 from cardiac arrest. Now, 50 is a young age to die! That's shocking and very sad to hear. May he rest in peace.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_michael_jackson
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2009/06/tmzcom_says_michael_jackson_ru.html
I didn't care for him as a person, but he sure was a talent.
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Certainly had some great songs -- Thriller, Billie Jean, Beat It to name 3.
Very unexpected news.
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This is really very sad. An exceptional talent in the league of Elvis, Sinatra, The Beatles and just a handful of others. Despite the freak show his life later became, he was an amazing performer and musician who will be remembered as one of the greats in music.
RIP Michael :-[
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RIP Michael Jackson. What a sad day, Farrah Fawcett, Michael Jackson and apparently Jeff Goldblum in New Zealand. They say he fell off a cliff whilst filming in New Zealand.
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...and apparently Jeff Goldblum in New Zealand. They say he fell off a cliff whilst filming in New Zealand.
Jeff Goldblum too??? Wow, I didn't hear a thing about that. :o
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Now religious figures stand alone as the #1 threat to little boys.
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Jeff Goldblum too??? Wow, I didn't hear a thing about that. :o
That one, at least, was apparently a false rumor:
Don't believe the rumors: Jeff Goldblum is alive and well in Los Angeles (http://www.examiner.com/x-264-Celebrity-News-Examiner~y2009m6d25-Dont-believe-the-rumors-Jeff-Goldblum-is-alive-and-well-in-Los-Angeles)
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That one, at least, was apparently a false rumor:
Don't believe the rumors: Jeff Goldblum is alive and well in Los Angeles (http://www.examiner.com/x-264-Celebrity-News-Examiner~y2009m6d25-Dont-believe-the-rumors-Jeff-Goldblum-is-alive-and-well-in-Los-Angeles)
Yeah, OldFred just started a new thread and cleared that up.
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Thanks, x - just saw it. ;)
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R.I.P. King of Pop. You'll be missed.
The Stooge tie-in: He wrote the forward to Curly's biography
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R.I.P. King of Pop. You'll be missed.
The Stooge tie-in: He wrote the forward to Curly's biography
Good point. I forgot all about that.
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When Charles Manson dies is everyone going to say "rest in peace" and conveniently forget about the Tate/LaBianca murders?
Michael Jackson was a child molesting prick, plain and simple. He paid the kid off to keep quiet! An innocent person doesn't give someone millions of dollars to stop lying. It is an admission of guilt. He didn't want to go to prison so he bought his way out of it. That should be his legacy, not "Beat it".
For fuck's sake!
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The analogy with Manson is an extremely poor one because Manson was a murderer who convinced some delusional people to kill for him. As far as we know Jackson never physically hurt anyone. This is not to condone anything he may have done. Sinatra had alleged ties to mobsters, Charlie Chaplin chased after under-aged girls, John Belushi and Richard Pryor abused drugs, Ted Healy was an abusive drunk, etc. Many celebrities have darker sides that we really don't want to acknowledge, but that side sadly exists.
Again, this is not meant to condone anything Jackson may have done, and he's more of a tragic figure to be pitied. Just like today we admire Sinatra, Chaplin and other celebrities despite their dark sides, history will still recognize Michael Jackson's extraordinary talent.
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What do you mean "may"? HE PAID THE KID OFF! You don't pay someone off if you are innocent! Child molestation is just as bad as murder in my eyes so the comparison is an apt one. Oh wait, Charlie never had any hit records, I'm sorry! As for your comparisons, the only one that comes close is Chaplin. Belushi and Pryor abusing drugs was their choices as adults and for the most part hurt themselves, and is nowhere near child molestation. Neither is Healy being a drunk (besides, Healy was never as big a celebrity anyway).
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Michael Jackson's Foreword from Joan Howard Mauer's 1985 'Curly' book:
"My memories of the Three Stooges, and especially Curly, are still with me to this day. In my childhood, around our house in Indiana, it was a daily ritual for me to watch the Three Stooges on television. All my brothers loved them then and even more so now. Chaplin and the Stooges are the greatest to me--their humor survives each generation. Even my mother love to see us have fun watching them. Rehearsing as a team and watching the Stooges were the only times we got together as a whole family.
The Stooges' craziness helped me to relax and to escape life's burdens. They influenced me so much that I even wrote a song about them.
Curly was definitely my favorite Stooge. He was unquestionably a comic genius who understood ad-libbing better than anyone. I loved the Stooges' slapstick action and especially Curly's funny noises and his silly, child-like mannerisms and attitudes. He should be honored much more than what has been done for him in the past, for everyone who loves him.
As a kid, I imitated Curly all the time, and I enjoyed feeling superior to and smarter than those three, silly grownups. I owe so much to them that I feel they belong to me. That's why I had to write the Foreword for this book.
Joan, the author, asked me whether I thought that Curly had suffered when he had to shave off his wavy head of hair in order to become a Stooge. My answer was that I was sure he did, that underneath the smile may have been a tear--after all, he was a clown. But it is our duty as entertainers to satisfy the people--to give of our souls even if it hurts.
Curly had a magic. He was God-gifted--a natural. Even when he didn't intend to be funny he was magic.
Today, thirty-three years after his death, Curly still has legions of fans because he was a natural. Such people appeal to the masses young and old--like the color blue.
I love everything about Curly and I would give anything to really know what he was like.
Thanks to the author, this book will clear up much of the mystery of Curly for me and his millions of devoted fans."
Michael Jackson
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What do you mean "may"? HE PAID THE KID OFF! You don't pay someone off if you are innocent!
I disagree. I can believe that a famous celebrity might ultimately decide to pay off someone like that, especially if the truth is likely to be extremely embarrassing even if nothing actually illegal took place. I'm not saying that Michael Jackson was necessarily the picture of lily white innocence (deliberate pun), but unless you were peeking through the windows you have no real proof that he ever actually abused any kids.
Personally, I've long suspected that South Park came the closest in depicting the "real" Michael Jackson. I think he was a sad, rather pathetic person who grew up being used and manipulated by his family and deprived of any real childhood. I strongly suspect that he was just trying to "be a kid" and was too far off in his own little world to even realize the impression he left by his behavior.
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I disagree. I can believe that a famous celebrity might ultimately decide to pay off someone like that, especially if the truth is likely to be extremely embarrassing even if nothing actually illegal took place. I'm not saying that Michael Jackson was necessarily the picture of lily white innocence (deliberate pun), but unless you were peeking through the windows you have no real proof that he ever actually abused any kids.
Personally, I've long suspected that South Park came the closest in depicting the "real" Michael Jackson. I think he was a sad, rather pathetic person who grew up being used and manipulated by his family and deprived of any real childhood. I strongly suspect that he was just trying to "be a kid" and was too far off in his own little world to even realize the impression he left by his behavior.
I agree with that analysis. We don't know what really happened and we're presumptuous to think we do. Jackson was such an incredibly talented performer that to see how his life ended is very sad and tragic.
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What could be so embarrassing that you would let the world think you molested a child? I can't think of much that would top that, if anything.
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No matter what the guy did or didn't do, he became a tabloid freak show later in life. His celebrity, like Elvis, will grow even bigger in death, and for all the wrong reasons.
Never been a Michael Jackson fan. I have a second hand copy of THRILLER my Aunt gave me on vinyl, and I may have played it once for the McCartney track. I realize the guy culturally has an impact, but I personally never got it. To each their own.
Personally, the guy creeped me out.
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I'm not going to get involved in this child molestation debate. But let's move this thread to another direction by reading this:
http://new.music.yahoo.com/michael-jackson/news/jackson-lived-like-king-but-died-awash-in-debt--61990761
Michael Jackson's debt is about $400 million. Now that is something! :o
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No matter what the guy did or didn't do, he became a tabloid freak show later in life. His celebrity, like Elvis, will grow even bigger in death, and for all the wrong reasons.
Never been a Michael Jackson fan. I have a second hand copy of THRILLER my Aunt gave me on vinyl, and I may have played it once for the McCartney track. I realize the guy culturally has an impact, but I personally never got it. To each their own.
Personally, the guy creeped me out.
I tend to agree. I was never a Michael Jackson fan, although I didn't mind his early stuff too much. I tend to prefer the Weird Al versions of his songs over the originals. ;D
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I wonder if his nose fell off in his oxygen mask ? Or if he died with his glove on ?
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Seriously, is this all they are going to talk about on the news? I just watched an hour of news today on TV when I got home and EVERYTHING was all about Michael Jackson. Nothing else. Sheesh! I didn't know he was THAT popular.
I agree with Metaldams. He is scary, mostly in appearance. Why the heck did he have to go through that plastic surgery?!
I was never a fan myself. I only like a couple of his songs. What mostly shocked me was the age he died and how his cardiac arrest was just so sudden. That's the main reason I started this thread. Had I known this was going to be the only news on TV, I wouldn't have bothered starting this topic. I actually thought more people would make a big deal about Farrah Fawcett's death.
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Seriously, is this all they are going to talk about on the news? I just watched an hour of news today on TV when I got home and EVERYTHING was all about Michael Jackson. Nothing else. Sheesh! I didn't know he was THAT popular.
I agree with Metaldams. He is scary, mostly in appearance. Why the heck did he have to go through that plastic surgery?!
I was never a fan myself. I only like a couple of his songs. What mostly shocked me was the age he died and how his cardiac arrest was just so sudden. That's the main reason I started this thread. Had I known this was going to be the only news on TV, I wouldn't have bothered starting this topic. I actually thought more people would make a big deal about Farrah Fawcett's death.
Get used to it, this will go on for a while. I thought that living close to Gary In. I was getting more than my fair share, but it seems like you people are getting your fair share of over-exposure.
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Get used to it, this will go on for a while. I thought that living close to Gary In. I was getting more than my fair share, but it seems like you people are getting your fair share of over-exposure.
That's strange. None of my friends or relatives are Michael Jackson fans. I know he used to be very popular in the 80s, but I didn't know a lot of people listen to him now. That's why this over-exposure is such a shock to me.
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That's strange. None of my friends or relatives are Michael Jackson fans. I know he used to be very popular in the 80s, but I didn't know a lot of people listen to him now. That's why this over-exposure is such a shock to me.
Michael Jackson was HUGE in the 80's. I was born in 1978, and I have kind of an idea how big he was from first hand experience, but I think a few years older than me and you really get it. Look at it this way - go to Wikipedia, and THRILLER is the best selling album of all-time, at 100 - 109 million albums sold. The number two album is AC/DC's BACK IN BLACK, and that "only" sold 45 million. That alone means we're going to be hearing about this death for awhile.
If you also add in the media hoopla this guy has been creating for twenty plus years, Bubbles the monkee, Macauley Culkin, Lisa Marie Presley, Liz Taylor, child molesting, plastic surgery, skin bleaching, hanging an infant off the balcony, and all the other shallow bullshit our culture has become obssessed with, and you will be hearing about this death for a LONG time. There is absolutely no shock at all in the over-exposure for me, and we're just beginning.
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If you also add in the media hoopla this guy has been creating for twenty plus years, Bubbles the monkee, Macauley Culkin, Lisa Marie Presley, Liz Taylor, child molesting, plastic surgery, skin bleaching, hanging an infant off the balcony, and all the other shallow bullshit our culture has become obssessed with, and you will be hearing about this death for a LONG time. There is absolutely no shock at all in the over-exposure for me, and we're just beginning.
What really shocks me is that this is the only thing they're talking about in the news. No exaggeration. Well, they did manage to squeeze in 3 minutes to update us on the weather, but that's it. The rest of the one hour news was all about Michael Jackson. This is all gossip and should not be shown on local/national news, only on shows like "Access Hollywood" or whatever other gossip show is out there.
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This is pretty big. I wasn't alive in the 70s, but I recall people saying the Elvis death was a big thing. This is similar I believe. Jackson pretty much defined a decade of music. His songs are iconic, hate him or not, the man made a cultural and significant impact on the world. This is pretty huge for this to have happened.
Anyone remember the Pepsi commercial where his hair had caught on fire in real life?
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Some interesting Jackson videos...
THE CAROL BURNETT SHOW (March 1974)
Not a great skit, but interesting for what happens 1/3 into it... L.A. had an earthquake aftershock. Burnett quickly adlibs, and the show goes on, barely missing a beat.
[youtube=425,350]W62an6HrSww[/youtube]
THE FLIP WILSON SHOW (October 1972)
The ol' burlesque routine, 7x13=28, performed by Flip Wilson and Michael Jackson
[youtube=425,350]CZqRMwx3udo[/youtube]
THE ED SULLIVAN SHOW (December 1969)
Usually/erroneously credited as the Jackson 5's first national performance... actually, they premiered October 1969 on ABC's Saturday night THE HOLLYWOOD PALACE, in an episode hosted by Sammy Davis Jr. & Diana Ross. But, SULLIVAN's Sunday night show had good ratings, and PALACE had low ratings (it was cancelled in 1970). So, this video often gets the [improper] credit...
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This is pretty big. I wasn't alive in the 70s, but I recall people saying the Elvis death was a big thing. This is similar I believe. Jackson pretty much defined a decade of music. His songs are iconic, hate him or not, the man made a cultural and significant impact on the world. This is pretty huge for this to have happened.
Anyone remember the Pepsi commercial where his hair had caught on fire in real life?
You don't have to have been in the 50's or 60's to know Elvis was a huge deal....bigger than Jackson.
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Stream an endless amount of Jackson songs: http://myplay.com/audio_player/michael_jackson/195/288993/288994?allowBrowsing=1
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You don't have to have been in the 50's or 60's to know Elvis was a huge deal....bigger than Jackson.
I meant his death.. I'm sure the news stations had round the clock coverage like this.
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I'm not sure about that. I wasn't around when Elvis died, but you obviously didn't have the internet like you do now. Cable TV wasn't that widely adopted yet and a station like CNN didn't even exist until 1980.
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Michael Jackson was three years younger than me when he died. I recalled the impact of the Jackson 5 when they played the Ed Sullivan show, and they were amazing. Michael as a young man was incredibly talented. Folks literally watched Michael and his brothers grow up in the spotlight. Michael made the rare transition from child star to adult star in the late 1970's and he really shot into the stratosphere, especially when 'Thriller' was released. He was the first major black artist to help break the door open for other black performers on MTV with his innovative videos. His 'Moonwalk' performance on the Motown 25 TV special was the moment that really made him a Pop culture phenomenon.
Unfortunately, the weird behavior over the years made him tabloid fodder and put his artistic achievements on the back burner for a lot of folks. The same thing happened with Elvis. Up to Elvis' death, he was looked at as a bit of weirdo too. Then when he died people remembered what a ground-breaking artist he was. The same thing is going to happen with Michael Jackson. People will still recall the weird stuff, but his music and videos will remind people about why Michael Jackson was such a big deal.
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I'm 31 and barely remember him from the 80's. I do know that he is huge in other countries to this day, and the "butt of the joke" here..
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I was born shortly before Elvis died. In fact, I was being taken home from the hospital for the first time the day he died and my parents found out on the car radio. That hardly puts me in the generation that "remembers Elvis" yet I know Elvis was a big deal. It's more common sense than anything. When anyone older than the age of 12 makes the comment that "I guess Elvis was a big deal" you sound stupid (not calling anyone "stupid" so relax). That's like saying "I guess Hitler was a bad guy" or for this website "I guess the Three Stooges were popular back in the day". Hell, Elvis is still a big deal today, almost 32 years after his death.
Excluding any "tabloid behavior" or pedophilia and basing this on music alone Elvis was bigger than Jackson one main reason: Elvis had a comeback. He was the first huge rock star, his popularity ebbed in the early to mid 60's when we was doing all of those horrible movies, but he came back strong with the '68 Comeback Special and had hit in his later years. Jackson became huge with Thriller and right after Thriller his popularity waned. Sure, Bad did well, but it slipped from Thriller and every other record after fell and fell and fell. He was considered a joke (much like Elvis was during the movie years) but he never had the big comeback like Elvis did. Therefore, Elvis gets the edge.
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Unfortunately, the weird behavior over the years made him tabloid fodder and put his artistic achievements on the back burner for a lot of folks. The same thing happened with Elvis. Up to Elvis' death, he was looked at as a bit of weirdo too. Then when he died people remembered what a ground-breaking artist he was.
Big difference between Elvis and Michael Jackson.......Elvis was always prolific. Even later on, Elvis recorded lots of music and did tons of live shows. He never forgot he was a performer despite his problems. Michael Jackson made an album every 5 - 10 years and had very little to say artistically once THRILLER hit it big.
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I meant his death.. I'm sure the news stations had round the clock coverage like this.
As falsealarms already mentioned, there wasn't any such thing as around-the-clock news channels back then, but it was still the news story at the time on the radio and newspapers. (I remember it well. I was working as a roustabout in the oil fields of Wyoming at the time. I still pray that I don't drop dead of a heart attack on the toilet.) I don't remember just how long it stayed at the top, but it doesn't seem that it was more than a few days. Elvis fans, however, are still making pilgrimages to Graceland to this day, some 32 years later.
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Excluding any "tabloid behavior" or pedophilia and basing this on music alone Elvis was bigger than Jackson one main reason: Elvis had a comeback. He was the first huge rock star, his popularity ebbed in the early to mid 60's when we was doing all of those horrible movies, but he came back strong with the '68 Comeback Special and had hit in his later years. Jackson became huge with Thriller and right after Thriller his popularity waned. Sure, Bad did well, but it slipped from Thriller and every other record after fell and fell and fell. He was considered a joke (much like Elvis was during the movie years) but he never had the big comeback like Elvis did. Therefore, Elvis gets the edge.
I've never cared for either Jackson or Elvis, but I have more respect for Elvis both musically and in his personal life. Elvis was weird and tacky (at least in my opinion), but I don't recall any scandalous accusations or truly bizarre behavior during his career. I'm not convinced that Jackson was a child molester, but even if he wasn't I wouldn't want any kid I knew anywhere near him. As you said earlier, Jackson was just creepy - and not in a good way.
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I've never cared for either Jackson or Elvis, but I have more respect for Elvis both musically and in his personal life. Elvis was weird and tacky (at least in my opinion), but I don't recall any scandalous accusations or truly bizarre behavior during his career. I'm not convinced that Jackson was a child molester, but even if he wasn't I wouldn't want any kid I knew anywhere near him. As you said earlier, Jackson was just creepy - and not in a good way.
Although neither Presley nor Jackson is one of my favorites, I can appreciate and enjoy the talent of both. But I must say that near the end of his life, Elvis was indeed creepy, although not necessarily in the same manner as Jackson. Having attended one of Presley's later concerts, I can guarantee you that seeing an overweight and bloated senior citizen, sporting blacker-than-black dyed hair and seriously oversized sideburns, dripping in sweat and moving like a snail, was nothing short of alarming. Add to that the rhinestone-laden jumpsuit and I'm pretty darn sure most of the audience was taken aback and uncomfortable. Clearly, no one in the house felt like they were watching the vital Elvis of the movies or the early Sullivan Show appearances, despite the recognizable vocals. And yes, people in those latter days were mocking Elvis plenty, regardless of how folks regard him today in hindsight. In my mind, the biggest difference between how Presley and Jackson's deaths were covered has to do with the expectation that Presley was in poor health, while Jackson was thought to be well.
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At 42 years old Elvis was hardly a senior citizen.
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At 42 years old Elvis was hardly a senior citizen.
I was referring to his physical appearance, which in his last years was awfully similar to that of a retiree arriving in Florida. I guarantee you his latter day physique and mobility far transcended 42, regardless of the birth date. Just take a look at his last televised concert -- seeing is believing.
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I was referring to his physical appearance, which in his last years was awfully similar to that of a retiree arriving in Florida. I guarantee you his latter day physique and mobility far transcended 42, regardless of the birth date. Just take a look at his last televised concert -- seeing is believing.
I agree, Elvis looked like crap, but listen to the voice, it's still amazing. This is six weeks before he died.
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I agree, Elvis looked like crap, but listen to the voice, it's still amazing. This is six weeks before he died.
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No argument that his talent seeped through, even at the end.
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Excluding any "tabloid behavior" or pedophilia and basing this on music alone Elvis was bigger than Jackson one main reason: Elvis had a comeback.
Jackson had a comeback, too. People keep forgetting how hugely popular the Jackson 5 were when Michael was a child star. As he got older his talent continued to grow. When the popularity of the Jackson 5 started to wan is when Michael really branched out as a solo star, 'Off The Wall' being a huge solo success for him and preceded the monster success of 'Thriller'. 'Thriller' was such a monumental success that even though Jackson followed up with successful albums like 'Bad' and 'Dangerous', they just didn't match the sales figures of 'Thriller'. It doesn't matter how good or successful you are, if a current success doesn't match a monster success, it's going to be seen in a much lesser light no matter how good the end product is. Michael Jackson did put out more records later that were good, they just weren't as successful sales wise as 'Thriller' was.
The best analogy is Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side Of The Moon' album which was continuously on the Billboard charts for almost over thirty years. Every album they put out afterwards, from 'Wish You Were Here', 'Animals', and even 'The Wall', while all successful, were not as huge as 'Dark Side' was.
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Elvis is still alive and looking like crap.. I saw him on "Cops" last week!
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I wasn't sure what age Elvis died, so I just researched now. Wow, he died at age 42. Now I know he died young, but that's really young. And Marilyn Monroe too. She died at age 36. Wow, these celebrities must have hard lives. You'd think with all the money they have, they'd be happy. After all, money can buy you happiness. ;D
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I wasn't sure what age Elvis died, so I just researched now. Wow, he died at age 42. Now I know he died young, but that's really young. And Marilyn Monroe too. She died at age 36. Wow, these celebrities must have hard lives. You'd think with all the money they have, they'd be happy. After all, money can buy you happiness. ;D
What does it Profit a Man to Gain the Whole World, yet, Forfeit His Soul
(Mark 8:36)
Sadly true.
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Jackson had a comeback, too. People keep forgetting how hugely popular the Jackson 5 were when Michael was a child star. As he got older his talent continued to grow. When the popularity of the Jackson 5 started to wan is when Michael really branched out as a solo star, 'Off The Wall' being a huge solo success for him and preceded the monster success of 'Thriller'. 'Thriller' was such a monumental success that even though Jackson followed up with successful albums like 'Bad' and 'Dangerous', they just didn't match the sales figures of 'Thriller'. It doesn't matter how good or successful you are, if a current success doesn't match a monster success, it's going to be seen in a much lesser light no matter how good the end product is. Michael Jackson did put out more records later that were good, they just weren't as successful sales wise as 'Thriller' was.
The best analogy is Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side Of The Moon' album which was continuously on the Billboard charts for almost over thirty years. Every album they put out afterwards, from 'Wish You Were Here', 'Animals', and even 'The Wall', while all successful, were not as huge as 'Dark Side' was.
Fred, you have got to stop. Going off as a solo star is not having a comeback! #1. The Jackson 5 were never in the stratosphere of Michael Jackson the solo star...not even close. The Jackson 5 and Michael's solo career are two different entities. Elvis was never in a straight up band, everything he released commercially was as a solo star. Elvis had the comeback and Michael Jackson did not. Just stop...
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Fred, you have got to stop. Going off as a solo star is not having a comeback! #1. The Jackson 5 were never in the stratosphere of Michael Jackson the solo star...not even close. The Jackson 5 and Michael's solo career are two different entities. Elvis was never in a straight up band, everything he released commercially was as a solo star. Elvis had the comeback and Michael Jackson did not. Just stop...
shemps#1, I must respectfully disagree. The Jackson 5 were huge in their time, with many hits and sold out concerts. I think I can safely say that they were to the Black community and Pop Music what The Beatles were to everyone else. Even like The Beatles they had their own cartoon show. Up until they got older as they continued as just the Jacksons, they were still very popular but the hits were beginning to dry up. Michael had released some solo songs with a degree of success but it was 'Off The Wall' that really launched him as a major solo star and with the released of 'Thriller' he really hit the stratosphere. One has to separate his great success in the 70's with the Jackson 5 with his phenomenal success in the 1980's, and the 1979 release of 'Off The Wall' was the separation point.
As for Elvis, he did have a band in the 50's, made up of Bill Black on bass, D.J. Fontana on drums and the great Scotty Moore on lead guitar. It's Moore's guitar that you hear on all of Elvis' early hits and it was with this band that Elvis toured and made his first TV appearances. True, all the recordings were released as 'Elvis Presley', but that had more to do with the management of Col. Tom Parker who didn't want anyone else to overshadow his client. Prior to Col. Parker's arrival and before Fontana joined, the band was billed as Elvis, Scotty & Bill. Moore, Black and Fontana have long been recognized as great side men and have all been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Later when he returned to touring in the 1970's, Elvis formed another touring band with another classic guitar player, James Burton, who first played with Ricky Nelson. Burton is a recognized world class guitarist who has also been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Yes, all the records said 'Elvis Presley', but Elvis was smart enough to surround himself with world class players.
And again, with all due respect, I am just expressing an opinion which I try to back up with some facts. You don't have to agree with me, but, isn't the whole purpose of a message board is to express an opinion? It would get awful boring if everyone just agreed on the exact same thing. In a case like that, there'd be no honest dialog. One of the things I like about the Stooges message board is that the dialog doesn't have to be all about the Stooges, there are sub-Threads that touch on other topics as well, including this one on Michael Jackson. And in the course of this thread, the Stooges/Jackson connection was touched on with Jackson's Forward in the Curly book.
I did reveal my age in an earlier post on this thread. In no way does it mean that I'm smarter than anyone else. But, I did experience more things than some of the younger posters on this board, including the first wave of the Stooge revival in the late 1950's into the 1960's. Whether that makes me a 'wise guy' in that regard is, I guess, just a matter of opinion.
Again, I say all this with great respect and I look forward to posting on other threads here on the Board on topics I can express an opinion on, including our mutual affection for the Stooges.
Now, Spread Out! [3stooges]
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I just did a little research, and in the 27 years since THRILLER, Michael Jackson released a grand total of four albums. One of them he did not have the confidence to sell on its own, so he made it a 2 CD set - CD 1 a greatest hits, CD 2 his new album.
For such an "artist," the man had very little to say once his icon status was cemented. He seemed more content keeping his name in the spotlight through the media than anything musical.
Elvis, minus his one year in the army, always had something on the table, be it recording sessions, movies, or touring. Yeah, the guy did tons of crap (even in the 50's), but lots of great music as well, and he left behind such a vast body of work it can take one a lifetime to discover all the gems. My opinion on Elvis is changing all the time because there's so much out there to discover and because he was so versatile. Just when I think I have him figured out, I hear something of his completely new to me that makes me re-evaluate him. There's a 5 CD box set for each decade Elvis recorded, and it's warranted. I was born a year and a half after Elvis died. I highly doubt somebody born in 2010 will have the same journey with Michael Jackson's music in 2040.
Both Elvis and Michael Jackson have a huge cultural impact, and mostly for all the wrong reasons. But if you look at the music, Elvis's body of work is more diverse, challenging, and rewarding than Michael Jackson's, and at least he always had the balls, no matter the circumstance, to perform.
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I think I can safely say that they were to the Black community and Pop Music what The Beatles were to everyone else.
That's really a shame, because Stevie Wonder was so much better.
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Fred, sorry if our wires got accidentally crossed on the brainwaves of communications, but you do come on a little strong. You seem to take offense to anyone that says anything that isn't glowing about Michael Jackson (or the Monkees for that matter). I didn't even slam him (that time), I just said Elvis was bigger.
Again I will have to disagree with you. You have a point about them being comparable to the Beatles insofar as the Black Community, but the Black Community was and still is much smaller than "everyone else". Blacks represent roughly 10-15% of the US Population. The Jackson 5 did not cross over very well, and you cannot compare them to MJ as a solo artist.
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I agree with you Jim. When I was a kid they didn't play much black music ( race music ) on mainstream radio. Sam Phillips was looking for someone to channel race music to the white audience. He found Elvis. He was the right man for the right job. With all of Michael Jacksons talent he still wasn't as important to music as Elvis was. ( in my opinion )
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You mean Elvis died too??
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I have to agree with Jim and Bill. Throughout my life, I've heard so much about Elvis, but very little about the Jackson 5. I was never an Elvis fan, but I've heard many of his songs on the radio and he was referenced a lot in TV shows and movies. But Fred, you are always welcome to share your opinion with us. There is nothing wrong with that, so rest assured.
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I have to agree with Jim and Bill. Throughout my life, I've heard so much about Elvis, but very little about the Jackson 5. I was never an Elvis fan, but I've heard many of his songs on the radio and he was referenced a lot in TV shows and movies. But Fred, you are always welcome to share your opinion with us. There is nothing wrong with that, so rest assured.
Thanks xraffle, you're a pal! ;D
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I may be incorrect, and this may not mean much, but a previously unmentioned difference between Elvis & Michael comes to mind. Didn't Michael write a lot of his own songs, while Elvis wrote very little if anything?
Not that it means anything either, but... how many other first names are so inextricably associated with just one person like the name "Elvis" is? (Maybe "Shemp" for one...)
Personally, I respect what both E. & M. accomplished artistically, but there is not one song associated with either of them in my entire music collection, nor is there likely to ever be.
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Maybe these should be in the Bad Joke of the Day thread, but...
They found out that MJ actually died from food poisoning. He ate a 10 year old wiener.
After MJ died, Kmart had to cancel their blue light special - boys pants half off.
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In my opinion, The Jackson 5 were one of the best groups to come out of Motown. No question about their talent. I liked them better that way. I never got into "Thriller" or anything else he ever did. Yeah, I heard the McCartney collaboration songs. Being a Beatles fan, I at least had to hear those songs once. And then there's the Weird Al parodies. Those were better than the originals. And finally, there's the band Alien Ant Farm who covered "Smooth Criminal." They really made a good heavy metal song out of that, even though it was a Michael Jackson song.
Well, he will be missed. But I'm not really much of a fan. But I'm curious: What song did Michael write about the Three Stooges, as mentioned in his forward to the book on Curly Howard?
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In my opinion, The Jackson 5 were one of the best groups to come out of Motown. No question about their talent. I liked them better that way. I never got into "Thriller" or anything else he ever did. Yeah, I heard the McCartney collaboration songs. Being a Beatles fan, I at least had to hear those songs once. And then there's the Weird Al parodies. Those were better than the originals. And finally, there's the band Alien Ant Farm who covered "Smooth Criminal." They really made a good heavy metal song out of that, even though it was a Michael Jackson song.
Well, he will be missed. But I'm not really much of a fan. But I'm curious: What song did Michael write about the Three Stooges, as mentioned in his forward to the book on Curly Howard?
I tried doing a Google search on the song Jackson wrote about the Stooges, but couldn't find anything. I'll keep looking and hopefully someone else can dig something up.
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Bold to come out and say that.
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Haha, Wantagh! Half my family lives there! I do have to agree with some of what that guy said though:
"He was talented, a great singer, dancer, but people die everyday. There's soldiers dying in Afghanistan."
Don't get me wrong, he was a great entertainer, and he'll be missed. But the media coverage on this whole thing was f***ing nuts. He didn't save lives, he made records. I'm just glad that most of the news channels are pretty much back to normal.
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I'm really fucking sick of this shit. Our local newscasts are still saturated with this.
They're anticipating possible riots tomorrow. Seriously? I don't see how we can celebrate a pedophile this way.
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Whenever this country falls like the Roman Empire (how soon, Rob?), it will be events like this that people point to. Some of you may think I'm nuts for saying this, but any society that propels Michael Jackson this high has serious cultural issues. Like him as a camp entertainer, fine. Propel him to god status? Sickening. We get the culture we deserve.
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I'm really fucking sick of this shit. Our local newscasts are still saturated with this.
They're anticipating possible riots tomorrow. Seriously? I don't see how we can celebrate a pedophile this way.
I see some Michael Jackson CDs, including Thriller, in stock at Amazon. You guys better hurry and purchase a copy before they run out of stock again. Hurry now!! ::)
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Well I thought the whole the American Legion and Wall of Honor backdrops were too hokey and jingoistic I do agree that the coverage has long worn out its welcome, and if I were in his district I would consider voting for the guy based on his balls to speak out against Jackson when we are at a point where only positive things should be said about him and his pedophilia should be ignored (according to the media and Jackson fans).
One "celebrity" that needs to die is Al Sharpton. This fucktard has glommed himself onto Jackson's decaying teat securely and saying some ridiculous shit on top of it. Why this guy still gets Press after what he did to Steven Pagones is beyond me.
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One "celebrity" that needs to die is Al Sharpton.
I hate that guy. He supported Roger Toussaint when he started that illegal MTA strike a few years ago. All of us New Yorkers were affected for two days without any train transportation.
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...any society that propels Michael Jackson this high has serious cultural issues. Like him as a camp entertainer, fine. Propel him to god status? Sickening. We get the culture we deserve.
Well said.